- 12 Jul 2004 08:10
#379666
Reading works some works by Plato I have come to believe that his theory would not work in society. The ideal city though is just that, ideal. So first to debate the system I have to get rid of all the problems like natural disasters and such that wasn't even discussed. The first problem I have is the idea that after 35 years of training philosophers reenter the cave to give guidance for the citizens for another 15. But, they have already left the cave for a long period of time, and wouldn't it be better for people to give guidance to people at each level of the cave? Education is gained by each level and it is hard to believe that in the real world people can just accept new ideas from these people they don't even respect as Adeimantus mentions.
Plato also argues that philosophers will not want to rule. Now I read Eric Brown's work Justice and Compulsion for Plato’s Philosopher-Rulers and he states that some philosophers don't believe this because will want to rule because of “the fear of suffering the greatest punishment, which is being ruled by the worse.†and that they will want to demonstrate their knowledge in the form of action. Faults are found in both of these theory's because they go against the ethical thesis of the Republic. No rewards for the kings. He states the way to get the philosophers to rule is by creating a law.
I disagree with the basic premise of the Republic. While in an ideal city this may work out the world is far from ideal. If you force someone to do something they don't want to do they will be less productive. If a philosopher can’t touch/see money, can’t own property, can’t do what they want to do, and can’t even have a family, then there is very little to gain from becoming a ruler. But, of course they will just want to do this because it is the right thing to do...
I just did a very basic thing about my problems with the Republic. Maybe you all can explain to me more about Platoism.
Plato also argues that philosophers will not want to rule. Now I read Eric Brown's work Justice and Compulsion for Plato’s Philosopher-Rulers and he states that some philosophers don't believe this because will want to rule because of “the fear of suffering the greatest punishment, which is being ruled by the worse.†and that they will want to demonstrate their knowledge in the form of action. Faults are found in both of these theory's because they go against the ethical thesis of the Republic. No rewards for the kings. He states the way to get the philosophers to rule is by creating a law.
I disagree with the basic premise of the Republic. While in an ideal city this may work out the world is far from ideal. If you force someone to do something they don't want to do they will be less productive. If a philosopher can’t touch/see money, can’t own property, can’t do what they want to do, and can’t even have a family, then there is very little to gain from becoming a ruler. But, of course they will just want to do this because it is the right thing to do...
I just did a very basic thing about my problems with the Republic. Maybe you all can explain to me more about Platoism.
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