[Chill]

I guess it wouldn't be surprising to see a fascist state directly hire prostitutes to educate young adults during secondary education. It'd be part and parcel with the rite of passage into adulthood (and proper citizenry).

Watch too much porn?

[Daktoria]

Are we talking about Fascism as preserved in the interregnum and post-1968, or are we talking about 1930?

You are kidding, right?

We're talking about fascism in general which includes how a planned economy would be concerned with the morale, sexual health, and reproduction of its citizens. It doesn't have to be sloppy either. A fascist government could turn prostitution into a respectable career by depicting say professional companionship in naturalist context.

Even if it was sloppy though, a fascist government could justify it as a motivator for militarism and industrialism. It'd be a way to build up and hammer out sexual tension.

Sloppy or not though, I wouldn't be surprised to see feminist fascism prey on this as a way to seduce men into docile yet competitive behavior. Abortion and contraception could accommodate it, and you could even see professional male escorts take off as a counter-objectifying form of conspicuous consumption so feminists could show off to the community their level of empowerment.

Feminist or not though, it all makes my gut churn as if people are no more than animals. I really don't see how fascism can get around this.

Again, regarding libertarianism, the regulation concern would be on the consumption side of the spectrum. If you consume an illicit product in a libertarian society say in a black market, then you wouldn't be entitled to law enforcement. For example, say someone contracts an STD from another who failed to disclose. In the course of finding out how the disease was contracted, it would be found out that someone was doing something that shouldn't have been taking place.

Likewise, say someone isn't paid for services. In turn, if a lawsuit takes place, it would be found out that the offeror was offering illicit services, so no compensation would be awarded.

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Watch too much porn?

Only when you're in it babe. You know I like how you shake that ass.

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In all seriousness though, this is how you repay my gratitude after how I responded to you in the libertarianism thread?

[Fasces]

Why would any product be illicit in a libertarian society?

[Daktoria]

Say I'm a police officer or judge.

Now as a police officer or judge, I'm contracted to administer the rule of law over people.

It becomes impossible to administer the rule of law over people when you can't tell if meetings of the mind take place. For example, I'm also against drug usage because if you sign a contract with a counterparty while high, you could argue an intoxication/lack of capacity/duress defense.

Prostitution is similar in that it relegates people to savage instincts. For example, if you're being tempted and emotions start running high, can you really be said to be free of influence in knowing what you're getting into?

As a legal administrator, dealing with that jeopardizes my duty of care. I mean say people start making lawsuits while in inebriated states of mind. Would it even be possible for me to do my job?

[Fasces]

Why not go discuss this with the other libertarians of the forum, instead of bogging down the Platonism forum with inane banters about deontoligism and free will?

[Daktoria]

You asked a question. I answered.

[starman2003]

Prostitution shouldn't be tolerated, needless to say.......contrary to fascist values.

Agreed. It's symptomatic of aimless, degenerate individualism. I know that, owing to limitations of gray matter in many men, it would be hard to eradicate. Much of the problem stems from the fact that under democracy many people who shouldn't have money--not any more than political perogatives--have plenty, and naturally blow it on all kinds of trash and vice. It may not be possible to do anything about limitations of gray matter. But taking away undeserved economic perogatives, as well as political ones, can go a long way toward solving these kinds of problems. If, in a dictatorial/sacrificial system, the dopes don't have money to spare, the market for trash and vice goes belly up.

[Pants-of-dog]

Since most sex workers want sex work decriminalised (and not legalised), I would assume that most sex workers would also hate to live in a fascist society, as decriminalisation would probably not even be an option.

[starman2003]

...I would assume that most sex workers would also hate to live in a fascist society..

Yep, same for dope dealers etc. Which says much about the quality of such a society.

[Fasces]

Since most sex workers want sex work decriminalised (and not legalised), I would assume that most sex workers would also hate to live in a fascist society, as decriminalisation would probably not even be an option.

No shit. Legalization means regulations, licensing, maybe getting regular STD check ups, and, gasp, taxes on declared income.

[Pants-of-dog]

No shit. Legalization means regulations, licensing, maybe getting regular STD check ups, and, gasp, taxes on declared income.

Don't forget that legalisation also means being raped and hassled by cops! And in a fascist society, the cops are not accountable to the populace.

[Fasces]

Don't forget that legalisation also means being raped and hassled by cops!

And in a fascist society, the cops are not accountable to the populace.

You have no idea what a fascist society even is, so how would you know the role of law enforcement in these societies?

[Pants-of-dog]

Your logical and wel-supported argument has swayed me.

You have no idea what a fascist society even is, so how would you know the role of law enforcement in these societies?

I know how law-enforcement operates in modern societies, and I know that fascist societies do not have nearly the same accountability. Ergo, it only makes sense that people who have power (like police) and even less accountability will be even more prone to abusing it.

[Fasces]

Prostitution is legal in many places in the West, PoD, without rape being an issue.

In fascist societies, law enforcement is more similar to community watch programs prevalent in many parts of the world. While the central authority may provide funding or equipment, the individuals themselves would come from the community, in what is ultimately a far more democratic method of law enforcement through the fact that the community can effectively choose what laws they desire to enforce, in social and civil matters.

[Pants-of-dog]

In fascist societies, law enforcement is more similar to community watch programs prevalent in many parts of the world. While the central authority may provide funding or equipment, the individuals themselves would come from the community, in what is ultimately a far more democratic method of law enforcement through the fact that the community can effectively choose what laws they desire to enforce, in social and civil matters.

This is not a description of the typical law enforcement paradigm in Fascist history.

Nor does this, in any way, make it more difficult for the police to abuse their position.

Prostitution is legal in many places in the West, PoD, without rape being an issue.

Please provide evidence of a place where sex work has been legalised (and not decriminalised) and rape is no longer an issue. Thank you.

[Fasces]

This is not a description of the typical law enforcement paradigm in Fascist history.

This is a description of law enforcement according to fascist ideology.

Nor does this, in any way, make it more difficult for the police to abuse their position.

It is harder to be a dick to your neighbor or brother.

Please provide evidence of a place where sex work has been legalised (and not decriminalised) and rape is no longer an issue. Thank you.

Please provide evidence of law enforcement raping prostitutes in either Nevada or the Netherlands, for example. A negative cannot be proved except by absence of evidence.

[Pants-of-dog]

This is a description of law enforcement according to fascist ideology.

No. It is a description of your personal fascist utopia that is not obviously inconsistent with Fascist ideology.

In history, we see that most Fascist states were police states.

It is harder to be a dick to your neighbor or brother.

Are you under the mistaken impression that rapists are somehow more considerate of people they know?

Please provide evidence of law enforcement raping prostitutes in either Nevada or the Netherlands, for example. A negative cannot be proved except by absence of evidence.

Not just the cops, but anyone who has been given power over the sex woprkers by the state:

The women have to see as many "tricks" a night as possible to make any money at all. The brothel owners are worse than any pimp. They abuse and imprison women and are fully protected by the state. I thought brothels were a wonderfull idea before I knew what they are all about. Now I can't believe how that sort of business is acceptable and legal when it seems it is the most harmfull of all.

http://www.sexwork.com/legal/NevPimpHouses.html

Are you aware of the difference between legalisation and decriminalisation?

This is important.

And negatives can be proven all the time. I can prove that there is no visible text between these two lines:

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Do you see ny text? No.

[Andropov]

Sex attitudes in society should be more lax. I have no problem with prostitution.

[Bosnjak]

My opinion is gambling, drugs (exept meth and heroin), and prostitution should be only runned by the state, and extremly taxed.

If the state forbidds such kind of things, then they will happen anyway, so is the sates authority undermined.

[Jackal]

My opinion is gambling, drugs (exept meth and heroin), and prostitution should be only runned by the state, and extremly taxed.

What would be the point of the state extremely taxing itself?