[Besoeker]

There are things external to the universe. Thats not just some theory. We already found one. With evidence.

What one and what evidence?
Please be succinct and precise.

[anasawad]

@Besoeker
Again, the big bang theory.
where do you think the basis for the multiverse theory ?

[Besoeker]

@Besoeker
Again, the big bang theory.
where do you think the basis for the multiverse theory ?

Yet again, you avoided the question. What is your basis for asserting that it was something outside the universe?

[anasawad]

Because it predates it.

[Besoeker]

Because it predates it.

Speculation again.

[anasawad]

@Besoeker
speculation ?
By definition, the universe came From the singularity. Thus the singularity predates it.
The big bang theory has tons of evidence to support it BTW. its not speculations.

[Besoeker]

@Besoeker
speculation ?
By definition, the universe came From the singularity. Thus the singularity predates it.
The big bang theory has tons of evidence to support it BTW. its not speculations.

The big bang is the singularity.

[anasawad]

@Besoeker
No, the big bang is an event that happened to the singularity.
The big bang is the begining of inflation, not the singularity in it self.

[Besoeker]

@Besoeker
No, the big bang is an event that happened to the singularity.
The big bang is the begining of inflation, not the singularity in it self.

Whatever.
How does it provide evidence that god is?

[anasawad]

@Besoeker
Not whatever. Thats how it is.

It provides evidence that there are things external to the universe. As i said countless times so far.
External to the universe means there are things we cant study or test on. Because science is the study of the universe.

Thats why when in debate about god, philosophy is used not pure science. Because we're not discussing something that can be observed or tested or any such.

[Besoeker]

@Besoeker
Not whatever. Thats how it is.

Speculation again.
Got any testabe evidence that there is a god?
Care to cite it?

[anasawad]

So all the evidence of the big bang and all the studies about it are all speculations now ?

Do you not comprehend the difference between philosophy and science ?

[Besoeker]

So all the evidence of the big bang and all the studies about it are all speculations now ?

Your speculation is that is something outside the universe that made it happen. You have already said that we can't know or measure that.

So where is your evidence that your god exists?

[jakell]

So all the evidence of the big bang and all the studies about it are all speculations now ?

Do you not comprehend the difference between philosophy and science ?

Seems he doesn't understand about deduction either.

Either that or he doesn't regard it as a legitimate process.

[Besoeker]

Seems he doesn't understand about deduction either.

Either that or he doesn't regard it as a legitimate process.

This is not about me, sunshine.

[Besoeker]

Because we're not discussing something that can be observed or tested or any such.

OK. You have no evidence. So you can only speculate that it, whatever it is, exists.
Thank you for making my point.

[Bulaba Khan Jones]

@Besoeker
No, the big bang is an event that happened to the singularity.
The big bang is the begining of inflation, not the singularity in it self.

Clearly, the Big Bang was the death of Ymir and the singularity was either Ymir himself or Ginnungagap. It fits the evidence quite nicely, and since you can't disprove it, it is therefore a fact and the science agrees with Norse beliefs. Who else, but someone divinely inspired, could create works of literature and spiritual beliefs as beautiful as the Poetic Edda? Clearly, they were directed by a higher power, perhaps by Odin (who is one of your gods whether you admit it or not), or one of the other Æsir or Vanir who we now know for a fact are the real gods.

The Norse conquests and diaspora of the last millennium were also inspired by the truth they had in their hearts, and they took it upon themselves to enlighten the rest of Northern Europe with truth and light, bringing peace and justice and laws everywhere. Norse culture was rich in such truths concerning their uncanny understanding of the universe:



They clearly understood that much is cyclical. The Poetic Edda, source of gods' truth, clearly shows that the stars will eventually blink out and vanish, and the sky will become dark, which obviously is a primitive man's depiction of the cold death of the universe, as all stellar matter becomes spaced so far apart that the sky will be nothing more than a seeming void, and everything will grow cold.

I also hereby decree that no image shall be made of any of the gods or goddesses, and that Old Norse was an independently-developed language with no outside influence.

[Besoeker]

Clearly, the Big Bang was the death of Ymir and the singularity was either Ymir himself or Ginnungagap. It fits the evidence quite nicely, and since you can't disprove it, it is therefore a fact and the science agrees with Norse beliefs. Who else, but someone divinely inspired, could create works of literature and spiritual beliefs as beautiful as the Poetic Edda? Clearly, they were directed by a higher power, perhaps by Odin (who is one of your gods whether you admit it or not), or one of the other Æsir or Vanir who we now know for a fact are the real gods.

The Norse conquests and diaspora of the last millennium were also inspired by the truth they had in their hearts, and they took it upon themselves to enlighten the rest of Northern Europe with truth and light, bringing peace and justice and laws everywhere. Norse culture was rich in such truths concerning their uncanny understanding of the universe:



They clearly understood that much is cyclical. The Poetic Edda, source of gods' truth, clearly shows that the stars will eventually blink out and vanish, and the sky will become dark, which obviously is a primitive man's depiction of the cold death of the universe, as all stellar matter becomes spaced so far apart that the sky will be nothing more than a seeming void, and everything will grow cold.

I also hereby decree that no image shall be made of any of the gods or goddesses, and that Old Norse was an independently-developed language with no outside influence.

Quite so.........

[Pants-of-dog]

OK. You have no evidence. So you can only speculate that it, whatever it is, exists.
Thank you for making my point.

Rather than asking you to show a single testable piece of evidence that god does not exist, I will merely point out that there is no such evidence, and speculation that god does not exist is also just speculation.

[Besoeker]

Rather than asking you to show a single testable piece of evidence that god does not exist, I will merely point out that there is no such evidence, and speculation that god does not exist is also just speculation.

So what does god do?