[Negotiator]

German article, with paywall, but you can read a bit from the start:

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inl ... 21490.html

German security policy relies entirely on the American nuclear umbrella. But Washington could turn its back on Europe. Then Berlin would only have bad options.

Oh really ? I know this strange foreign country in a galaxy far far away. You might have heard of it someday.

Its called France.

And it has nuclear weapons.

And heck I'm pretty sure we germans could be friends with them quite easily. We even once have been a single nation, under Charlemagne.

I mean, sure. It was 1,200 years ago. But we've never been one nation with UK, USA, Russia, China, India, Israel, Pakistan, Israel, or North Korea.

Wait a minute, I think we are even friends with France, right now ! Since 80 years. Oooooooooh !

Only bad options, my ass.



P.s.: You hear statements like that every once in a while, so I figured I should comment on this.

[Potemkin]

Let me get this straight. You want to rely on the French to protect you in the event that a continental or world war breaks out…?

What could possibly go wrong?

[late]

You hear statements like that every once in a while, so I figured I should comment on this.

Did you have a point?

With Putin's army threatening, and that includes nuclear threats, having a deterrence is the only sane option.

Germany is looking at the rise of fascism in America, and that Republicans have ties to Putin... and they are making the only conclusion that makes sense.

MAD works.

[Negotiator]

Let me get this straight. You want to rely on the French to protect you in the event that a continental or world war breaks out…?

What could possibly go wrong?

Far less than with the USA, which just attacked our pipeline ?

With Putin's army threatening,

He doesnt.

[MadMonk]

Far less than with the USA, which just attacked our pipeline ?

But what if it is the French that are attacking you?

He doesnt.

Putin is not threatning Germany, no. He wants a Grand Alliance and devide Poland again.

[late]

He doesnt.

Tell that to Ukraine, which has been fighting him since 2014.

Or Georgia.

Or the Chechens..

If he isn't fighting, he's getting ready to start one......

[Beren]

With or without America, Germany can't have nukes either way. They also can't even have a serious military able to threaten anyone in Europe or beyond anyway because France and Russia would ally, and possibly turn, against them immediately. They could take part in a common European/Continental security system together with France and Russia, though, and they also would be allowed to sell arms abroad as they're now.

[Patrickov]

Far less than with the USA, which just attacked our pipeline ?

With all due respect, the pipe belongs to the source more than the recipient.

[Skynet]

@Negotiator Germany can within 2 hours become a nuclear power... Such studies exist! (This was revealed 10 years ago in a talkshow by a CDU-politician)

The French army is the last real army in EU because an army is huge killing commando, not a place for gender ideology.


For example the Israeli Army has also women, but for different tasks then man, Israel can not afford gender ideology, because they need a real army.