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By Hot Choco
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The social "norm" of heterosexuality is oppressive to alternate lifestyles.


Um, not really. Just becuase something's normal and widely practiced, doesn't mean that other alternatives are 'oppressed'. For instance, 95% could love eating fish and chips. The remaining 5% could like eating McDonalds. This fact alone does not oppress the people who like McDonalds.
By Zerogouki
#13172169
Who is to say heterosexuality is "normal" and alternate sexual lifestyles are "not normal"?


The numbers.

All sexualities are equal


No. Bisexuality is clearly superior to all other sexualities. The second-best is lesbianism.

This defense mechanism, discovered by the ingenious psychologist Sigmund Freud


Freud was a rambling coke addict and more of a psychotic than a psychologist. Everything he wrote, he pulled out of his ass, which is the usual place where cocaine-induced delusions come from.

Unfortunately, at this point in time, our bigoted heterosexual society marginalizes, mocks, and oppresses alternate sexualities.


Like on Will and Grace or The L Word?

The only way to end such discrimination is to "normalize" alternate sexual lifestyles by vigorously promoting them in a positive light.


Like on Will and Grace or The L Word.

such sexualities will eventually, by definition, not be "alternative" but rather as "normal" as left-handedness


Left-handedness is not normal.

the working class, where the revolutionary ideals take root


*facepalm*

Save your Marxist BS for another forum.

teaching the newest generation (children) about alternate sexual lifestyles

teaching children about sexual lifestyles

teaching children about sexual lifestyles


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No.

Because no.

A child should grow up being equally curious about boys and girls


A child shouldn't be curious about boys or girls. They should be curious about LEGOs, their latest crazy-ass Wii controller, and whether or not land snails float in water.

Heterosexual culture obviously doesn't stay there. It's symbols are all around us. It is just that we got so used to them that we perceive it as the default thing and only notice the expanding gay culture.


Bull. Name one thing that is a part of "straight culture" in the way assless leather pants and biker hats are part of gay culture.

Any proof that homosexuality is not inborn?


Well, there are documented cases of identical twins, separated at birth, where one became straight and the other gay. But aside from that, no.

As with driving education you teach them when you expect them to be responsible drivers.
Do the same with children. Teaching them about sex is telling them they are ready for it with lessons.


There's a difference between training to use something and knowing the mechanics of how it works. You can teach an 8-year-old about car engines without implying that they are ready to drive. Similarly, teaching someone where babies come from is not an implication that they are ready for sex.

No child is ready or equipped to be a parent. Nor are they ready to abort a life within them.


And this has what to do with sex? Believe it or not, there are people who have had sex without ever becoming parents.
By Order
#13172631
Hot Choco wrote:Um, not really. Just becuase something's normal and widely practiced, doesn't mean that other alternatives are 'oppressed'. For instance, 95% could love eating fish and chips. The remaining 5% could like eating McDonalds. This fact alone does not oppress the people who like McDonalds.


That would be true if life was one big market exchange. Your comparison is however completely inappropriate in this context. A norm is oppressive in the sense that people have a tendency to discriminate against anything that is not "normal". Hence, as long as there is a social norm that describes only heterosexuality as normal, homosexuality will be looked down upon.
By Quantum
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Homosexuality is not normal in the literal sense. Statistically there are more heterosexuals than homosexuals, and the dominance of heterosexuals is reflected through the demographics, just like ethnicity and religion and this is the same for left-handedness.

You say that other sexualities are underrepresented. How is that true when there are shows that are primarily starred by homosexuals, e.g. Queer Eye For The Straight Guy and How To Look Naked. Their presence in the media is pervasive and it's hard not to notice them.

The sexualities are clearly not equal because if it were true, then two people of the same sex would produce a child. This means that "heternormalism" inevitably triumphs over homosexualism.

If homophobes are homosexuals themselves, does that mean that the vast majority of the world are homosexuals? Virtually every traditional culture hates homosexuals and is naturally ingrained in humanity, like other prejudices. You could condition people to accept homosexuals but deep down, you could never make them accept homosexuality on equal terms with heterosexuality.

Zerogouki wrote:Freud was a rambling coke addict and more of a psychotic than a psychologist.


I agree. Freud was a quack that formulated concepts like the stages of psychosexual development that isn't scientifically based and reveals more about himself than his paitents.
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By Order
#13172864
Quantum wrote:Homosexuality is not normal in the literal sense. Statistically there are more heterosexuals than homosexuals, and the dominance of heterosexuals is reflected through the demographics, just like ethnicity and religion and this is the same for left-handedness.


Popular perceptions of "normality" are not necessarily related to how often something occurs. Is christmas "not normal" because it is only one of 365 days? People wouldn't call it abnormal but "special". ;) So the derogatory use of "not normal" for homosexuals is definitely something which still exists but doesn't need to.

Quantum wrote:You say that other sexualities are underrepresented. How is that true when there are shows that are primarily starred by homosexuals, e.g. Queer Eye For The Straight Guy and How To Look Naked. Their presence in the media is pervasive and it's hard not to notice them.


Do you have numbers? And even if they were overrepresented, what does it mean?

Quantum wrote:The sexualities are clearly not equal because if it were true, then two people of the same sex would produce a child. This means that "heternormalism" inevitably triumphs over homosexualism.


What is that supposed to mean? Please elaborate.

Quantum wrote:BTW, if homophobes are homosexuals themselves, does it mean that the vast majority of the world are homosexuals? Virtually every traditional culture hates homosexuals and is naturally ingrained in humanity, like other prejudices. You could condition people to accept homosexuals but deep down, you could never make them accept homosexuality on equal terms with heterosexuality.


Any proof that hating homosexually is ingrained in humanity? There are plenty of people who do not hate homosexuals. How do you explain those? And why can't other behave in the same way?
By Zerogouki
#13173085
Is christmas "not normal" because it is only one of 365 days?


Christmas is not a normal day. If our daily lives typically consisted of sitting around a decorated tree and opening presents, then Christmas would be a very normal day indeed. But reality isn't The Nightmare Before Christmas, is it?

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