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Modern liberalism. Civil rights and liberties, State responsibility to the people (welfare).
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By newengland_elitist
#13083732
i have had people call me liberal, socialist, moderate, and even conservative. If i know any group of people that can judge my views its at pofo so here i go:

taxes: should be lowered for everyone, but a progressive income tax should still be in place

government spending: should drop dramatically. social entitlement spending as well as military spending has gotten out of control. more money should go to paying off the national debt. i dont support destroying social security, welfare, or medicare/medicaid....i just think there are more important things that our money should go to right now, like paying the debt.

trade: free trade brings peace and prosperity throughout the world. protectionism os stupid

foreign policy: we need to promote democracy around the world without excessively using our military and without making that many enemies. the us has to pressure undemocratic countries to hold elections while realizing that sometimes elections bring radicals and extremists into power and destabilize the country. im reading books by Fareed Zakaria right now so foreign policy wise im like a Zakarian :)

iraq war and war in Afghanistan: the war in iraq is almost over. we have achieved peace for the most part and should pull troops soon. what we have not ended is the war in Afghanistan. we need to finish what we started there by finally eradicating the Taliban with the Pakistani governments help.

Social issues: i support gay marriage and think that abortion should be legal in the first and second trimester. thats basically it. i respect the opposition to abortion by the right but not gay marriage. you cannot ban love and their arguments gay marriage are ridiculous. i support the death penalty for very serious offenders of the law

liberties and the constitution: i believe that the government infringes on our rights to privacy (although not mentioned specifically in the constitution, privacy has been established the supreme court case griswold v. Connecticut). the constitution protects our right to bear arms but background checks and waiting periods should be imposed (i dont want psychos with guns)

drugs: the war on drugs should end but that doesn't mean we should legalize drugs. im in favor of decriminalizing marijuana buts thats as far as i will go. if the government needs to spend money on fighting drugs (which it shouldnt anyway) it should be spent on rehabilitation not retribution.
By newengland_elitist
#13083776
hmmm interesting. i haven't been called that. doesnt the neo- in neolibertarian suggest a relationship with neoconservatives? my foreign policy is interventionist.....but not militaristic.
By Wolfman
#13083873
I agree with house (how rare). However, neo just means new. A neocon just means that they're a newer version of wanting no change, and a neolibertarian just means that they aren't completly idiotic (I spend my free time arguing with and insulting Libertarians, figure why I made that remark). However, (personnal thought here) it's not a good idea to look at only one version of an ideology you like. If you're a Libertarian, look at the different variations of it (neo, paleo, left).
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By Dr House
#13083880
newengland_elitist wrote:hmmm interesting. i haven't been called that. doesnt the neo- in neolibertarian suggest a relationship with neoconservatives? my foreign policy is interventionist.....but not militaristic.

See: Very moderate.
By newengland_elitist
#13083925
Dr. House, whats industrialism's relationship with libertarianism and the LP
btw thanks for your input you and Wolfman
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By Gitana
#13083960
I would ask why you name yourself an elitist.
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By Dr House
#13084016
newengland_elitist wrote:Dr. House, whats industrialism's relationship with libertarianism and the LP

There really isn't any. Industrialism (a name I coined myself by the way) is a form of economic nationalism, which calls for a protectionist industrial policy which is often directly at odds with economic liberalism. I have found libertarians find my brand of economic interventionism and social security more agreeable than more mainstream solutions, but we're still too interventionist for their taste.
By Wolfman
#13084059
I'd recommend you largely ignore a persons ideology and location tag. A good chunk of the time it's either a joke (seriously, what's Twead Marxism?) or it's an overly complicated way of saying something. The sig. area is generally better.

If you're woundering, mine is correct.
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By Dr House
#13084212
Mine is correct as well though. ;)
Last edited by Dr House on 06 Jul 2009 22:44, edited 1 time in total.
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By Le Rouge
#13084292
You sound like a New England conservative a la Paul Hodes, George Pataki, Lincoln Chafee, and Sherwood Boehlert.
By Zerogouki
#13084448
You sound pretty centrist to me, with some slight libertarian leanings.

the war on drugs should end but that doesn't mean we should legalize drugs


Actually, that's exactly what it means. Switching from a retributive system to a rehabilitative system just means that you're fighting the same war, but with rubber bullets and tear gas (metaphorically).
By ninurta
#13153489
Isn't Elitist a term made up by politicians that bears no real meaning? Beyond being a stigma against a stereotype of rich people:

Rich, greedy, wall street fat cat, porkbarrel spender
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By Figlio di Moros
#13153501
Le Rouge wrote:You sound like a New England conservative a la Paul Hodes, George Pataki, Lincoln Chafee, and Sherwood Boehlert.


Pataki's a NYer...
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By Nattering Nabob
#13153536
i have had people call me liberal, socialist, moderate, and even conservative. If i know any group of people that can judge my views its at pofo so here i go:

taxes: should be lowered for everyone, but a progressive income tax should still be in place

government spending: should drop dramatically. social entitlement spending as well as military spending has gotten out of control. more money should go to paying off the national debt. i dont support destroying social security, welfare, or medicare/medicaid....i just think there are more important things that our money should go to right now, like paying the debt.

trade: free trade brings peace and prosperity throughout the world. protectionism os stupid

foreign policy: we need to promote democracy around the world without excessively using our military and without making that many enemies. the us has to pressure undemocratic countries to hold elections while realizing that sometimes elections bring radicals and extremists into power and destabilize the country. im reading books by Fareed Zakaria right now so foreign policy wise im like a Zakarian

iraq war and war in Afghanistan: the war in iraq is almost over. we have achieved peace for the most part and should pull troops soon. what we have not ended is the war in Afghanistan. we need to finish what we started there by finally eradicating the Taliban with the Pakistani governments help.

Social issues: i support gay marriage and think that abortion should be legal in the first and second trimester. thats basically it. i respect the opposition to abortion by the right but not gay marriage. you cannot ban love and their arguments gay marriage are ridiculous. i support the death penalty for very serious offenders of the law

liberties and the constitution: i believe that the government infringes on our rights to privacy (although not mentioned specifically in the constitution, privacy has been established the supreme court case griswold v. Connecticut). the constitution protects our right to bear arms but background checks and waiting periods should be imposed (i dont want psychos with guns)

drugs: the war on drugs should end but that doesn't mean we should legalize drugs. im in favor of decriminalizing marijuana buts thats as far as i will go. if the government needs to spend money on fighting drugs (which it shouldnt anyway) it should be spent on rehabilitation not retribution.



You sound like a moderate American voter...a very sensible position...
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#13265390
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