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Pants-of-dog wrote:So you agree that they are yelling threats and insults in the direction of the children and in the same.room as the children.
Is this appropriate?
@Drlee
What do you think, since you seem to be agreeing with BS?
Drlee wrote:Totally agree with you @BlutoSays . There is a limit. Exposing children to sexual fantasies that they cannot understand it wrong to start with.
Somehow, those on the left(ish) in the US have been convinced that we must accept everything as normal and that the way that we show we are doing that is to impose these things on children.
I have absolutely no problem with citizens who disagree with these experiments expressing their displeasure through protest.
Political correctness is SOMETIMES used to stifle political discourse. I think there is no doubt about that. In fact it almost always is. It is not about manners. Political speech is (sadly sometimes) rarely mannerly.
Pants-of-dog wrote:So you agree that they are yelling threats and insults in the direction of the children and in the same.room as the children.
Is this appropriate?
@Drlee
What do you think, since you seem to be agreeing with BS?
Drlee wrote:It is not my preferred way of protesting this thing.
My preferred way is to have public meetings, announce what the library intends to do and fight it out among the adults. In this case, knowing that what they were doing would be extremely controversial, the folks decided to go ahead without community input. So they reap what they sew.
For me this is about "who fucked up first". I am getting very tired of folks on the left taking highly contentious decisions, knowing and indeed hoping these decisions would outrage some people, and expecting those people to play nicely.
And I will go a step further. If I was speaking to a library leadership group I would ask them these questions:
1. Is this program worth the bad will it will garner for the library in the future? Libraries are members of the community and should at least consider the opinions of the main players.
2. Is this the hill you want to die on? What agenda is served? Does this do the greater good for the library? I would ask the leadership if a minuscule number of happy drag queens is worth what could, in the current political climate, prove to be a stunt that would endanger funding from both private and public sources. A stunt that could indeed threaten the future of children's programs and even the existence of the library.
3. Then we would have the discussion that should have been had with the community. What is our point? Don't give me any shit about "inclusiveness". Drag queens are more than welcome at the library in or out of costume. Yes drag queens are performers much like other performers. But there is a sexual overlay to their performances that, in my opinion, may not be appropriate for very young children. I sympathize with the parent who wants to send their five year old to the library for after school activities, without having to face a discussion that should probably not be had at that age. I think it would be just fine for a parent to not permit their young child to watch RuPaul's Drag Race because they feel it is not age appropriate. Why should they have to worry about this at the library?
No POD. Again this is not a simple black and white matter about what is "OK" for one to "be". It is about judgement in leadership. And the library fucked the pooch this time and paid a heavy price for it. I would fire the librarian.
Drlee wrote:@Pants-of-dog
You can try to re-frame this any way you like. You asked me no questions that I did not adequately explain in my post.
You may think that it is OK to use government money to forward a political or controversial social agenda. I do not. You may believe it is the role of government employees to indoctrinate young children in the agenda of the employee's own choosing but I do not.
Feel free to tell us if there are any limits to the amount of government money that can be use to forward a particular social or political agenda before the people who were taxed for that money are at least consulted.
Rancid wrote:I feel like this culture war shit everyone is engaging in is a massive distraction.
Drlee wrote:Well I can see that yet again POD has decided not to address my points but to simply go ahead with his far left agenda, not caring whose rights he tramples in the meantime.
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And I see that, like virtually everyone on the far left, he is fine with grooming children to his fringe behaviors.
Drlee wrote:So we see that POD believes that cross dressing is a sex crime? I don't.
If a man wants to fantasize about being a woman and dress accordingly that is fine with me. If he can monetize it by making it a source of mature entertainment that is also OK by me. If he uses it to forward a political or mature social agenda to children it is not OK with me.
Yes, you do believe that. In fact, you have accused me and drag queens of grooming children for the purposes of sexual exploitation.
Since that dis not happen, your support for the Proud Boys seems illogical.
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