[QatzelOk]

Even adults act like children.

When they stand in the shadow of a constructed father figure (Moses, Founding Fathers, God, Hitler), it is only natural that they should act like children.

[Rodion]

Why can't you?

There are no kilts in Sparta.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind a PoFo themed get-together somewhere in the North with kilts, bagpipes and Glas Vegas in the background.

[danholo]

When they stand in the shadow of a constructed father figure (Moses, Founding Fathers, God, Hitler), it is only natural that they should act like children.

Nah, I think it's pretty much your own parents. What kind of daddy issues do you have?

[redcarpet]

Better her than Netanyahu

[Muslim]

Israel's 9th Nobel prize

Egypt got 4, so you are ahead with 5 I am fascinated with such type of national-pride threads.

One side comment that has nothing to do with Israel, Nobel prize has been always criticized of being politicized, but I am not quite aware of the arguments for/against that.

[War Angel]

One side comment that has nothing to do with Israel, Nobel prize has been always criticized of being politicized, but I am not quite aware of the arguments for/against that.

Well, Obama just got a Nobel prize for doing absolutely nothing of import, so...

[Muslim]

As Obama said, it is meant to give momentum to his attitude rather than to acknowledge his achievements.

[Oxymoron]

He is a selfish self absorbed snob, he should have refused the prize.

[War Angel]

As Obama said, it is meant to give momentum to his attitude rather than to acknowledge his achievements.

That's just moronic. The Nobel prize isn't some incentive, it's the most valuable recognition of one's efforts and achievements.

[Typhoon]

Coming from the nation that I believe holds the second largest number of Nobel's, I think its all bullshit.

By focussing on a few politically selected figureheads who never developed anything in isolation the Nobel prize undermines everyones achievements. Especially today the Nobel prize just doesnt reflect the manner in which research is conducted and why are the developers of the BCG vaccine still unrecognised?

[Muslim]

By focussing on a few politically selected figureheads who never developed anything in isolation the Nobel prize undermines everyones achievements. Especially today the Nobel prize just doesnt reflect the manner in which research is conducted and why are the developers of the BCG vaccine still unrecognised?

Exactly!

The one-man show is no longer a valid scenario in science.

[kraychik]

Giving an individual an award/recognition for significant contributions to a given field (i.e. the Nobel prize) is hardly "bullshit". Everybody with a brain knows that the great accomplishments of individuals are rooted in many factors beyond the recognized individual's control. Obviously he/she had a strong upbringing and access to elite education, obviously he/she has great mentors and peers, obviously he/she had access to resources to specialize and develop expertise in his/her field, and obviously he/she has a strong network of support throughout his/her work. So what? There's still the important ingredient of the individual, and recognizing the individual for his/her accomplishment(s) in now way undermines all the assistance and support that the individual has over the course of his/her work.

Do you really think that the Nobel prize (or countless other awards/recognitions) undermine the support that the awarded individual had along the way? Do you think that your statement of the obvious fact that these individuals had help (and by extension making the ridiculous statement that recognition of these individuals is "bullshit" and undermines teamwork) is some sort of enlightenment that we've all overlooked? Get over yourself. perhaps we should do away with all awards prizes... because nobody ever build themselves alone.

And clearly you've gained the support of Muslim... how surprising:

The one-man show is no longer a valid scenario in science.

The Nobel prize isn't suggesting anything near a "one-man show". It's a recognition of achievement. I'm certain the award winners have extended thank-you lists for the many people that assisted them in their accomplishments. You folks are anti-achievement it's disturbing. Clearly you folks are left-wing/socialists/commies.

[Dempsey]

The Jewish names missing from a Guardian list of Nobel Prize Winners

By Tim Collard World

Last updated: October 9th, 2009




The award of the Nobel Peace Prize to Barack Obama has unsurprisingly drawn a barrage of diverse comment in today’s press. For me the most interesting reaction came from Simon Rogers on the Guardian website. Not in anything he said about Obama, though. He published a list of all Peace Prize winners since 1901, under the perfectly reasonable question “How does Obama compare?”

Close examination of this revealed a few slips. In 1978, for instance, the laureate was named as President Anwar Sadat of Egypt. Half accurate. Some of us may remember that Sadat shared the prize that year with another statesman, one Menachem Begin by name. But Begin’s name was conspicuous by its absence. Further down, the award in 1994 to Yasser Arafat was noted. But had he received the prize alone? I rather thought that Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres had shared it with him. You wouldn’t have discovered that from Mr Rogers’s list.

I owe this fascinating discovery to the blog forum Harry’s Place. Within 40 minutes of posting, the no doubt vermilion-faced Rogers added his own comment. “Hi, I’m afraid rather than conspiracy, we’re also just capable of making a mistake in complicated data entry (which affected a number where there were two or more winners). This has been rectified [it has].” (He’s also capable of making a mistake in his grammar, eh?)

Data entry? OK, but no one has yet found any other mistakes in recording the many occasions on which multiple awards were made. I am not implying in any way that the Guardian or Simon Rogers are guilty of deliberate falsification. It was an oversight, no doubt under deadline pressure. Even so, what an odd business.


Tim Collard is a retired British diplomat who spent most of his career in China and Germany. He is an active member of the Labour Party.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timco ... e-winners/

[Typhoon]

Sound sore to me kraychik, am I taking the shine off your achievements?

First as to my enlightenment, perhaps take note. In your long diatribe you never seem to break past the concept that achievement is individual achievement and that "support" is just that, "support". When I say everyone im not talking about those making the coffee but as an other(s) with an equal stake in the achievement.

Credit where credit due is a concept I think we can all agree with, my gripe with the nobel prize (yes many other awards also) is that it doesnt give due credit to those responsible for the achievement due to its focus on individualism which just isnt applicable to modern science (or modern anything).

Secondly, how do you rank research, so yes when a section is picked out for special exposure it does undermine the other sections since they failed to be selected. When the chemists selected for this years nobel were biochemists it undermined mainstream chemistry. Back to the BCG vaccine which has saved the lives of god knows how many and been a more vital contribution than most other nobel winners, its developers go unrecognised.

In summary the award (like many) is politically selective, highly subjective and not an indicator of actual value. In short its Bullshit. Im not against awarding achievement, if a doddery Prof. wants a gold watch after 60 years of service to the field then let them have it, but lets drop this cult of the individual from society.

Clearly you folks are left-wing/socialists/commies.

You make it sound so negative?

[Bosnjak]

Was not Alfred Nobel jewish? I read that his family had jewish-khazarian ancestry, but his father converted later to christianity

[chaostrivia]

oh, now that explains why so many jews won the prize....

Alfred Nobel was just as jewish as were Hitler and Achmedinejad --> not at all

[Arthur2sheds_Jackson]

Beruit wrote:

Television and Cathode Ray Tube Application
There are three patents on television-transmission of pictures and views (1928-30) and two patents on cathode ray tube (1935). GE research engineers at Schenectady N.Y. developed the liquid crystal display (LCD) instrument system based on the original patents of Hasan Kamel Al-Sabbah. It is the world’s largest high resolution LCD panel for aircraft. It presents information in colour, and with twice the sharpness of a home TV screen. The display owes its high resolution to the large number of pixels (dots) that are activated toform an image on its screen, LCD imgaes are normally black and green filters. Further development and modifications of the Alsabbah cathode ray tube created new types of CRT used in electronic systems.The television would not have been discovered without this

By the time this guy had made his first patent John Logie Baird had been transmitting images for 3 years. In 1928 he transmitted the first television pictures across the Atlantic.

[maolei97]

Nobel Prized award was given to Ada Yonath because of her contribution to Chemistry, nothing more, nothing less, regardless of political view of one individual, i am pretty use that the selection committee of Nobel Prized has guideline on their selection.