Godstud wrote:@Tainari88, if someone enters your house without your permission, then they are trespassing/breaking and entering. That's illegal. They are committing an illegal act, regardless of their intentions, or how good or bad they might be. If you enter a country illegally, you are a criminal and should be treated as such.
@Tainari88 Per your source: While approximately 5,000 people of Mexico origin enter Canada each year as temporary students or contract workers for agriculture.
Talking about residents, and legitimate immigrants, is not the same as seasonal workers which they noted was only about 5,000. 5,000 is insignificant.
Canadians don't want illegal(criminal) immigrants, any more than any other country wants that.
Then why do Mexicans keep going to USA?
It's true you know nothing about Canada. You know even less than you think you do, as well.
Mexicans go to the USA because over 12% of the US population has Mexican ancestry or ties. So it is a large demographic.
And? They go there to make more money to flee violence or crime in Mexico or to get a higher standard of living. They believe in the American Dream. Is it going to come true for them? Some people get the dream and others do not. Depends on a lot of factors. Many wind up working hard and do not really get much social mobility. But just calling them criminals is simplistic Godstud.
No one has broken into my house here in Mexico. They broke into an apartment I rented in the USA. Stole everything. In the USA they broke in. Crime happens Godstud. That is not the argument I am presenting.
Why are thousands of people trying to force their way into the USA via the Southern border? What is their motivation? Because they are criminals and want to commit mass crimes in the USA. Some are criminals. Very few of them are criminals. The vast majority are your average poverty person who can't find a job and lives with inflation and problems. I have said over and over in this forum over the years. Latin Americans have an unrealistic and distorted view of the USA and life in the USA. They only believe the Hollywood version of what life is like in the North, both in the USA and in Canada. They do not have any realistic assessment of what it is like there. They do not know Godstud.
Look, I had a couple here from a small Yucatecan town sit with me and visit me here the last week that just went by. The husband is called Saul and the wife is called Karina. They are from Maxunah. A small Mayan town near Merida is about an hour's drive away. He is a construction worker and she is a housewife that sells stuff once in a while to make a living. They wanted me to tell them how it is in the USA. Because they want to join that caravan shit due to her husband's bad salary in town that is not doing much for their three kids and extended family members. They eat soup made of noodles and mangos when they are in season. They want something a bit better.
I told them not to waste their damn time in those stupid caravans. Saul might be robbed and stabbed, Karina might be raped and kidnapped. Anything could happen. For what? The US is saturated with low-skill people with no formal education, or English skills that are zero. Saul says proudly he finished the eighth grade in school. Karina got to sixth grade. They are proud of that but want their kids to get through high school at least. They are both bright, charming, and good people. I met Saul when he wanted to get a job fixing my roof. I gave him the job. Wound up feeding him and his cousin Rosendo for weeks while they worked. They got attached to me. And now they visit once in a while.
Anyway, back to the story. He wants to make that great salary in Colorado agriculture or construction of $16.50 an hour. He can get a legit H21 Visa for agricultural work through contacts. But? I explain what the issue is with that. What happens in reality with slaughterhouse work, dairy farm work, and ag worker work in the USA? It is hazardous, lonely, difficult, and a lot of danger in terms of farm work is about losing limbs and sometimes you lose your life with that kind of work. It is not easy money and never has been. The housing is temporary, and many employers stiff the workers, out of a lot of their contracted work. Many times they agree to pay them overtime now and they do not. They pay them normal wages and not the twenty hours a week they do of overtime during the peak season.
I do know about that because one of the nonprofits I do interpretation and translation work for is specifically about farming and farm worker organizations all over the state of Colorado. They specifically only deal with the Department of Agriculture in the USA and the farmers in rural towns and counties all over Colorado and they have networks of people who work with them and they need to communicate from English to Spanish a lot.
So, are they criminals? No. They are desperate people with totally false and unrealistic ideas about the USA and the reality of working in the USA. And in Canada. One guy from here who is in his fifties got a work visa for Canada. Toronto. He arrived in February and he said he was freezing his ass off and working in a bakery for 140 US Canadian dollars a week and it was not nearly enough for anything he hoped it would be.
They have no fucking clue what it is about Godstud. Are they criminals? In my estimation no. They do not dedicate their day-to-day to drug dealing, human trafficking, raping, kidnapping, and holding for ransom people or breaking homes and burglarizing. They want to make enough money to live a better life. They are economic refugees. Economic refugees are in the BILLIONS in the world. A lot of nations do not have good-paying jobs for people. They fail to educate them formally for professions that pay middle-class salaries.
Their kids get inadequate education. It is easy to hate them. They are poor, without education, unrealistic, and uninformed. But they know what hard work is and what struggle is. They do not understand system changes, law, and order in societies with money for enforcement, they do not understand cultural and linguistic rules that shift and change. They do not understand the societies they are entering. AT ALL.
Who is going to prepare them eh?
Sometimes they ask me how I did it? How did I make it such a society? How do you explain a family's struggle, and the pain of struggle for a decent education, for working hard towards a goal? For learning a new language and a new cultural paradigm? For the experience of being an outsider that is not really accepted because a society is not going to change to magically accommodate a group that is not a dominant culture in a nation? How do people fight for something better and the sacrifices they have to make to be able to make sense of their worlds? And not fall into assimilation and loss of language and culture? Or not believing they are inferior and not worthy? How to avoid all that psychological damage done to the poor and the uneducated all over the world?
How to explain how power is about internal fortitude to those who still think they can make more money and have a better life by crossing a land border only? Do they understand what self-transformation in this life is about?
How do you explain that to them Godstud? Life is not that simple Señor.