[litwin]

a Stalinist Trans , can you explain this mess in her (his) head ?

ps

Tell comrade to go back to coal mine. Her shift isn't over yet...

[litwin]

[litwin]

[Rich]

Contra to the liberal myths it was the big three allies the United States, the British Commonwealth and Empire and the Soviet Union that were united in believing active homosexuals should be sent to prison. The Axis powers were not united on this issue.

[Deutschmania]

This is nothing new actually. Much progress has been made, in the area of LGBT+ rights, as it pertains to Communist countries and parties around the world. No matter how Stalin might have felt on the topic, or the mixed history of how LGBT+ comrades and citizens were treated , we Marxists are supposed to be scientific socialists , not personality cultists.

[skinster]

Dorks in the West are trying to claim the USSR would've defended degenerate idealism in the form of gender ideology when in fact there, they would've got the wall. And rightly so.

CIA has infiltrated most of the socialist orgs in the West and is pushing this shite that promotes misogyny, child mutilation, homophobia, narcissism and paedophilia.

[Wels]

^ i take it's ok to post this then

[Pants-of-dog]

In order to dismantle capitalism and move to a classless society where no one can wield the means of production as an economic lever to oppress us, we must use our collective labour force and unite.

But not with those people, right?

[skinster]

Yes, we should focus on class instead of made-up identities like "trans" and "non-binary"

and "minor-attracted person"

[Pants-of-dog]

@skinster

You were just arguing that trans people should be separated from the rest of the working class and put against the wall.

Are you now changing your tune and arguing that trans people should be left alone and we should not focus on the arbitrary divisions of prejudice and instead focus on class struggle?

[skinster]

You were just arguing that trans people should be separated from the rest of the working class and put against the wall.

I didn't say anything about being separated, I said that type of degeneracy and narcissism would not be allowed to be in the USSR and they'd probably have been shot, or I suppose, preferably, re-education. But this shit wouldn't thrive under the USSR, the ideology that supports those delusional people could only be popular under capitalism, as we see.

Are you now changing your tune and arguing that trans people should be left alone and we should not focus on the arbitrary divisions of prejudice and instead focus on class struggle?

"trans" people should leave everyone else alone and stop forcing their cult on others in the way they've quickly managed to by capturing all major institutions such as the government, police, academia, healthcare, education, intel orgs and as mentioned, socialist orgs. Never mind the horrendous attacks on women who refuse to be a sub-category in their own sex based on the feelings of delusional men.

How about telling "trans" people to shut the fuck up and maybe others wouldn't have a problem with their incessant bullshit.

[Pants-of-dog]

I didn't say anything about being separated, I said that type of degeneracy and narcissism would not be allowed to be in the USSR and they'd probably have been shot, or I suppose, preferably, re-education. But this shit wouldn't thrive under the USSR, the ideology that supports those delusional people could only be popular under capitalism, as we see.

No, we do not see that.

And if you do not wish to seem like you support such actions, I suggest you clarify that in your writing.

"trans" people should leave everyone else alone and stop forcing their cult on others in the way they've quickly managed to by capturing all major institutions such as the government, police, academia, healthcare, education, intel orgs and as mentioned, socialist orgs. Never mind the horrendous attacks on women who refuse to be a sub-category in their own sex based on the feelings of delusional men.

How about telling "trans" people to shut the fuck up and maybe others wouldn't have a problem with their incessant bullshit.

No. I do not think censorship is a good idea either.

Again, how do you want to deal with unifying the working class and other segments of society (to overthrow capitalism) while simultaneously dividing the working class along trans/cis lines?

[skinster]

No, we do not see that.

Yes we do.

And if you do not wish to seem like you support such actions, I suggest you clarify that in your writing.

I suggest you eat my ass before telling me how to express things.

No. I do not think censorship is a good idea either.

It's not censorship to request this cult you defend stop imposing it all over society.

Again, how do you want to deal with unifying the working class and other segments of society (to overthrow capitalism) while simultaneously dividing the working class along trans/cis lines?

There is no such thing as "cis", that is language of your cult that I refuse to partake in. You lot need to stop demanding others conform to your delusions.

As for dividing the working class, I'll stick to people focused on that rather than obsessing over made-up identities that they care for before they consider class. Besides, "trans" people are mainly labour-deserters, favouring prostitution or begging online over made-up oppressions.

[Pants-of-dog]

@skinster

If you are arguing that only capitalism allows trans rights, please note that Cuba provides full protection against discrimination based on gender identity. So, unless you now wish to claim that Cuba is capitalist, the counter example of a socialist country allowing trans rights disproves your claim.

I have. I idea what you mean by “imposing it all over society”. If you mean that they are doing what they can to ensure they are not targeted by discrimination even if others oppose them, then sure, it is not censorship to ask them to stop asking for human rights.

And you do not seem to have an effective solution for how discrimination against trans people divides the working class and others and makes the overthrow of capitalism more difficult.

[skinster]

Cuba is incorrect on so-called sex-reassignment-surgery, but still, they don't mutilate minors and don't have a multi-million industry providing meds that sterilise children, nor do they attempt to normalise paedophilia like what we see in the West.

I have. I idea what you mean by “imposing it all over society”. If you mean that they are doing what they can to ensure they are not targeted by discrimination even if others oppose them, then sure, it is not censorship to ask them to stop asking for human rights.

The theys don't lack any rights. And they wouldn't be targeted if they didn't impose themselves, such as demanding how others change language to prioritise them or impose themselves in women's sports and shelters and prisons and other spaces where women have got raped by men pretending to be women. If they were just like "I'm trans woe-is-me" without those things nobody would give a fuck, but your friends in your cult are raping women, threatening women, trying to normalise paedophilia, mutilating children, etc. while claiming their bullshit has anything to do with socialism: it does not.

And you do not seem to have an effective solution for how discrimination against trans people divides the working class and others and makes the overthrow of capitalism more difficult.

There is no overthrowing of anything by people who are obsessed with their pronouns, and again, this is liberal bullshit and most socialist states have no time for this narcissistic fad.

“It seems to me that this superabundance of sex theories, which for the most part are mere hypotheses, and often quite arbitrary ones, stems from a personal need. It springs from the desire to justify one’s own abnormal or excessive sex life before bourgeois morality and to plead for tolerance towards oneself. This veiled respect for bourgeois morality is as repugnant to me as rooting about in all that bears on sex. No matter how rebellious and revolutionary it may be made to appear, it is in the final analysis thoroughly bourgeois. Intellectuals and others like them are particularly keen on this. There is no room for it in the Party, among the class-conscious, fighting proletariat.”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/zetkin ... etkin2.htm

[Pants-of-dog]

@skinster

This “mutilate minors” meme is emotionalism and not an actual thing. I assume the “sterilize children” thing is too. Are you also insinuating that trans people are all pedophiles?

In fact, that whole diatribe seems like a Gish Gallop of myths.

If you wish to justify dividing the working class with these myths, feel free. Please note that I do not believe the myths you use to justify the censorship and other things that trans people are dealing with today.

[skinster]

@skinster

This “mutilate minors” meme is emotionalism and not an actual thing.

Yes it is, but you don't care about the children hurt by this sick and delusional ideology.

I assume the “sterilize children” thing is too.

Puberty blockers prevent puberty and if kids don't go through it they can't procreate, i.e. are sterilised.

Are you also insinuating that trans people are all pedophiles?

Many are and this ideology promotes paedophilia whether you want to admit it or not.

In fact, that whole diatribe seems like a Gish Gallop of myths.

I'm pretty certain since you're invested in shilling for this harmful ideology and its relations to paedophilia are not new to you.

If you wish to justify dividing the working class with these myths, feel free. Please note that I do not believe the myths you use to justify the censorship and other things that trans people are dealing with today.

You call them "myths" while believing men can be women based on their feelings or if they like dresses and make-up or are stay-at-home-dads, which doesn't put you in any position to judge anything when it comes to this question. And as I said, this ideology is liberal bullshit and has nothing to do with socialism. Males and females who identify as "trans" never consider workers rights or their class because they're hyper focused on their pronouns and made-up oppressions. You lot are liberals, supported by liberals in government and media etc. and need to get the fuck out of our movement because socialists are not idealists, we are materialists. Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao etc. knew what a woman is and wrote about her oppression based on her sex, not any "gender identity" which is a new idea coming from that creepy paedo John Money. Stop imposing yourself onto our movement, you are not wanted and we have had enough of your attempts to make us look retarded to average workers.

[Pants-of-dog]

@skinster

You do not seem to have any real argument.

[skinster]

You're a bloke who thinks you're a woman so nothing you say on this topic has any value.

[Pants-of-dog]

@skinster

Please note that personal attacks are not arguments, no matter how poor they are as insults. That was not even smart or funny.