[Beren]

@Beren ,

It doesn't matter, he doesn't matter. Every politician in the land with a functioning brain at all is now going to rightfully think that the only way to avoid jail or worse from now on is to destroy their opponents before they destroy them.

Sure, annatar, you better destroy the republic rather than just trying because if you fail, then it destroys you whoever you happen to be, even though it was rather lenient with you before. Of which Trump also wasn't aware, I guess, so he must be really surprised and upset (as you are) that the republic strikes back at him.

[annatar1914]

Sure, annatar, you better destroy the republic rather than just trying because if you fail, then it destroys you whoever you happen to be, even though it was rather lenient with you before. Of which Trump also wasn't aware, I guess, so he must be really surprised and upset (as you are) that the republic strikes back at him.

@Beren :

Why the talk about psychological states of being and fairness?

What I think or feel or anyone else thinks or feels is irrelevant. Only that no politician (who already tend to be psychopaths and sociopaths) is going to let any of what's coming to Trump happen to them.

[Beren]

@Beren :

Why the talk about psychological states of being and fairness?

What I think or feel or anyone else thinks or feels is irrelevant. Only that no politician (who already tend to be psychopaths and sociopaths) is going to let any of what's coming to Trump happen to them.

Would you really expect the republic to just let Trump get away with what he did? That'd be pretty much un-Roman, he should rather be crucified for it.

[annatar1914]

Would you really expect the republic to just let Trump get away with what he did? That'd be pretty much un-Roman, he should rather be crucified for it.

@Beren ,

Again, you are missing the most important political point of all this: no politician is safe unless they remove all rivals, nobody will get a safe chance at a quiet retirement from politics.

Why can't you see that?

[Beren]

@Beren ,

Again, you are missing the most important political point of all this: no politician is safe unless they remove all rivals, nobody will get a safe chance at a quiet retirement from politics.

Why can't you see that?

I've already answered this. Nobody attacking the republic and failing to destroy it is safe indeed, so he better succeeds or else he might get finished.

[annatar1914]

I've already answered this. Nobody attacking the republic and failing to destroy it is safe indeed, so he better succeeds or else he might get finished.

@Beren :

Any politician can be set up for destruction under this kind of late era Republic decay, any politician can be accused by his opponents and defenestrated in this mutual suicidal derangement of all civic and political life.

Beginning to sound like god-damned Robespierre talking like this, you know that?

[AFAIK]

Israel managed to survive the prosecution and sentencing of former president Katsav for rape.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/ ... years-rape

[wat0n]

And France survived the Sarkozy trial too.

[annatar1914]

Oh yes, Israel and France are so much more stable now after the Sarkozy and Katsav trials

I'm done here on this thread: none so blind as those who refuse to see that the problem is the Oligarchy, isn't it?

[Beren]

Any politician can be set up for destruction under this kind of late era Republic decay, any politician can be accused by his opponents

Any politician can be treated like this if they cross the line, but they're not just any politicians then, they're enemies of the republic or the state then. Trump became a public enemy, which is still rare and not so easy to do actually because the republic isn't interested in artificially creating them from thin air. Trump worked hard on making himself an enemy of the republic or the state itself, he isn't just any politician picked and tormented by his influential opponents abusing their power. He fucked with the republic itself and now he's treated accordingly.

[late]

Beginning to sound like god-damned Robespierre talking like this, you know that?

Not really, but you are singing the theme song of autocrats and dictators.

[annatar1914]

Not really, but you are singing the theme song of autocrats and dictators.

Rather silly ad hominem.

I'm a Socialist, autocrats and dictators tend to like the Institution of private property: it's from It that they derive their power, from the propertied classes.

No friend of Trump or any of them, you all pearl clutch at surface appearances and phenomena while never in a million years address the real issue: that the modern world is run by Oligarchical elites

[Pants-of-dog]

Trump is an oligarchic elite.

[JohnRawls]

In failing States, towards the ending phases of an Oligarchical society, a politician cannot leave office, ever, for fear of imprisonment, execution, or even assassination.

So towards the end even the densest of them stay in office by an astute combination of force and fraud, more on force, and fight savage civil wars to secure their lives, their wealth and their power. Theirs and their families and friends and posterity, until there is a hereditary monarchy and nobility, and the people are but a passive object of their government.

Go ahead idiots, put the man in jail. Find a way to keep him there indefinitely or even until the ending of the mortal course of his life. Sabotage the elections. Cheat. Kill. Someday you'll find yourself next to a former enemy in a fucking trench in the woods. You idiots talk politics, with that art there is only power.

Remember that there can only be one Emperor at a time, and the road of kings is a bloody one.

You will force someone sometime to learn the lesson you'll teach, to go on the path Julius Caesar took, a hard man who had to seize the purple not only out of ambition but to save his very life. If not his soul.

Would be valid crtisism if Trump would be president after 2 terms which he isn't. He didn't even get re-elected.

Also could be valid if he held some other political position that provided him immunity which he doesn't have.

On the other hand, he is being found guilty in the courts which indicates that the institutions are functioning properly and easily outlived Trump.

[Beren]

the modern world is run by Oligarchical elites

It's not just who runs the world but how. Trump would run the US as Orbán runs Hungary or Putin ran Russia before the SMO. They're on the same team, hence they're friends with each other. Sure, the US elites don't want that, whether they're oligarchical or not.

[late]

Rather silly ad hominem.

"Again, you are missing the most important political point of all this: no politician is safe unless they remove all rivals.."

The first step in becoming an autocrat, or dictator, is taking out anyone that could oppose you. That's not politics, it's trying to kill politics.

[annatar1914]

"Again, you are missing the most important political point of all this: no politician is safe unless they remove all rivals.."

The first step in becoming an autocrat, or dictator, is taking out anyone that could oppose you. That's not politics, it's trying to kill politics.

Seems more like a vanity to not seem to appear to agree with me, because that's exactly what I'm saying: the politicians are starting to take each other out, and eventually this will lead to the end of even the pretense of a republican form of government.

And it was easier for people on this thread, with their cognitive dissonance, to believe that I was supporting Trump instead of understanding that I'm against all Oligarchy, just as I indicated by my very first post on this thread.

[late]

Seems more like a vanity to not seem to appear to agree with me, because that's exactly what I'm saying: the politicians are starting to take each other out, and eventually this will lead to the end of even the pretense of a republican form of government.

And it was easier for people on this thread, with their cognitive dissonance, to believe that I was supporting Trump instead of understanding that I'm against all Oligarchy, just as I indicated by my very first post on this thread.

That could happen. But we need to look at "take each other out". When a Fascist says that, he means jail or the grave. Republicans are trying to kill democracy, but they haven't been using jail or murder, at least not yet.

What's more, in the last 2 elections, Republicans got hammered, largely for behaving in an undemocratic fashion. I think it will happen a 3rd time.

The rich have gotten too powerful, but I tend to look at it using economics.

https://www.amazon.com/Price-Inequality-Divided-Society-Endangers/dp/0393345068/ref=sr_1_1?crid=VTM6I18A3AM2&keywords=price+of+inequality&qid=1683727332&sprefix=price+of+in%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-1

[MistyTiger]

Even if Trump never goes to prison for his crimes or alleged crimes, the rumors will always follow him around. Unless he buys up all the tabloids, media and networks in the US and overseas too...there will be reports from all sides about his offenses. And he would have to pay every victim to stay quiet. Can he afford that?

Not that paying them works. He paid Stormy but she did not want to stay quiet. Good for her!

[Beren]

And it was easier for people on this thread, with their cognitive dissonance, to believe that I was supporting Trump instead of understanding that I'm against all Oligarchy, just as I indicated by my very first post on this thread.

As a Socialist you also mean to be against class society as it is by definition, so thus you're actually interested in the fall of the US republic and supposed to support Trump's destabilising efforts, so cognitive dissonance might rather be on your part while actually projecting to resolve it.

Even if Trump never goes to prison for his crimes or alleged crimes, the rumors will always follow him around.

I wouldn't think Trump will be jailed, he's rather meant to get tired out and isolated socially and especially politically in his own bubble that is also supposed to shrink.