[wat0n]

The Rwandan genocide was committed just by using machetes and firearms, over a few months.

This is verifiably false.

Hamas would love to commit genocide but it isn't because it can't even if you wish they could, @QatzelOk

[QatzelOk]

Hamas would love to commit genocide ...

Paranoid people are always projecting their criminality onto others.

Israel has killed 20,000 children so far and bombed most of the housing of "another people." This is what genocide looks like.

Repeating "Hamas wants to commit genocide" over and over and over in commercial media... just demonstrates how thick-as-thieves our Liar Media is.

These liars make it easy for you to write what you write because they provide all the material you need to "look smart." But with all the alternative media out there, you don't look smart. You look like you're trolling with mainstream media talking points.

And not open to taking discussions away from commercial media.

In other words, you post as if the Internet didn't exist. Why not pretend words don't exist and just post blank pages? It would be just as convincing.

[wat0n]

Paranoid people are always projecting their criminality onto others.

Indeed, you do it all the time.

Israel has killed 20,000 children so far and bombed most of the housing of "another people." This is what genocide looks like.

No, this is not how genocide looks like. It's how urban warfare looks like.

And, no, Israel has not killed 20,000 children.

Repeating "Hamas wants to commit genocide" over and over and over in commercial media... just demonstrates how thick-as-thieves our Liar Media is.

These liars make it easy for you to write what you write because they provide all the material you need to "look smart." But with all the alternative media out there, you don't look smart. You look like you're trolling with mainstream media talking points.

And not open to taking discussions away from commercial media.

In other words, you post as if the Internet didn't exist. Why not pretend words don't exist and just post blank pages? It would be just as convincing.

Hamas filmed itself committing the massacre and its leadership has also publicly said it wants to massacre the Jews wherever they are, if this is known is precisely because of the Internet.

[QatzelOk]

...this is not how genocide looks like. ...
Hamas filmed itself committing the massacre...

Why hasn't South Africa sued Hamas for genocide?

Why hasn't the KKK sued Hamas for genocide?

Why hasn't the USA sued Hamas for genocide?

Because they all know this is media lies and that everyone else knows this too?


wat0n has spent many pages admiring the new clothing that the much-loved Emperor is wearing

[wat0n]

Why hasn't South Africa sued Hamas for genocide?

Why hasn't the KKK sued Hamas for genocide?

Why hasn't the USA sued Hamas for genocide?

Because they all know this is media lies and that everyone else knows this too?


wat0n has spent many pages admiring the new clothing that the much-loved Emperor is wearing

Hamas doesn't care about being sued for genocide, war crimes or anything else so why bother?

[Deutschmania]

Why hasn't South Africa sued Hamas for genocide?

Why hasn't the KKK sued Hamas for genocide?

Why hasn't the USA sued Hamas for genocide?

Because they all know this is media lies and that everyone else knows this too?


wat0n has spent many pages admiring the new clothing that the much-loved Emperor is wearing

And in addition , Gaza is not a member nation of the UN , and is not a signatory to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide . And so therefore the Hamas led government cannot be charged with genocide . These and other points were made in this video I just began watching .

[Unthinking Majority]

Paranoid people are always projecting their criminality onto others.

Israel has killed 20,000 children so far and bombed most of the housing of "another people." This is what genocide looks like.

Repeating "Hamas wants to commit genocide" over and over and over in commercial media... just demonstrates how thick-as-thieves our Liar Media is.

These liars make it easy for you to write what you write because they provide all the material you need to "look smart." But with all the alternative media out there, you don't look smart. You look like you're trolling with mainstream media talking points.

And not open to taking discussions away from commercial media.

In other words, you post as if the Internet didn't exist. Why not pretend words don't exist and just post blank pages? It would be just as convincing.

I'm not saying Israel hasn't committed genocide, it's hard to make heads or tails about anything with so much misinformation regarding this war, but I think it's ridiculous to think Hamas wouldn't murder every Jewish man, woman, and child if they could get away with it. Extending Oct 7 across the entire country isn't a very difficult leap to imagine.

[Rich]

I'm not saying Israel hasn't committed genocide,

Israel hasn't committed genocide. That's one thing we can be certain of. However that doesn't mean that the Israeli armed forces are not committing genocide. However these whole proceedings should be treated with total and utter contempt.

A Liberal democracy's first responsibility is the well being of its soldiers. Soldiers suffer in war, soldiers are wounded, soldiers die, but a Liberal Democratic States major priority is to try and minimise the death, wounding and suffering of its soldiers while achieving its objectives. To that end we have had conventions on the treatment of prisoners of war. The Swiss Red Cross made a reasonable job of refereeing those conventions. Note for this to work the Red Cross and the Swiss government had to treat all belligerents with respect. It wouldn't have worked, if they had been childish narcissists like modern day Liberals needing to insult their opponents as sub humans.

However these wider attempts to police war are ridiculous and should be treated with total contempt. War is not a sport it can not be refereed.

[MadMonk]

A preliminary ruling on the matter is coming in as we speak. In this stage they've only asserted that the charges are plausible (the charges have not been thrown out), that the court has jurisdiction (it now has) and that the Palestinians are a protected group under the genocide convention.

International Court of Justice orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza

Judge Donoghue says the court has decided that Israel must “take all measures within its its power” to prevent all acts within the scope of the genocide convention.

She adds that Israel must ensure “with immediate effect” that its forces do not commit any of the act in the genocide convention.

Israel must also take immediate measures to improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza.

The Guardian live update

[wat0n]

...And the ICJ did not order Israel to stop the war or withdraw from Gaza, which falls far, far short of South Africa's objectives.

[late]

...And the ICJ did not order Israel to stop the war or withdraw from Gaza, which falls far, far short of South Africa's objectives.

Do you know nothing about the law, or is this your usual throw something at the wall, hoping it will stick?

[wat0n]

Do you know nothing about the law, or is this your usual throw something at the wall, hoping it will stick?

Do you?

The ICJ can decide any preliminary measures it deems appropriate to enforce the Genocide Convention while an accusation is in trial.

Yet it did not decide to order Israel to stop the war and leave Gaza, which was South Africa's goal. Why?

[ingliz]

@wat0n

Why not a ceasefire?

Because it would have had to go to the Security Council, and the US would have vetoed it. This would have dented the credibility of the Court.

But there is nothing to stop countries from taking what measures they see fit to put pressure on Israel to call a ceasefire.

[wat0n]

@wat0n

Why not a ceasefire?

Because it would have had to go to the Security Council, and the US would have vetoed it. This would have dented the credibility of the Court.

But there is nothing to stop countries from taking what measures they see fit to put pressure on Israel to call a ceasefire.

The ICJ did not care about possible vetoes when it ruled against the US in Nicaragua v United States. Why would it do it now? This would have only diminished US credibility.

It seems you're angry, because the very main goal of the proceeding did not materialize.

And mind you, some judges decided to be soft on South Africa (as it can be inferred from Georg Nolte's statement).

[QatzelOk]

...But there is nothing to stop countries from taking what measures they see fit to put pressure on Israel to call a ceasefire...

Yes, but what about AFTER this ceasefire?

What could *other nations* do to correct the historic injustice that the Palestinians suffered when they were ethnic-cleansed out of existence in 1948 by powerful economic actors (mafia)?

Is setter-colonialism salvageable here in the Levant? Will the ruins of the Roman Empire (which includes its settler-colonial creations like the USA) continue to "create countries out of crusades" in this region in the future?

[wat0n]

"Palestine" is itself a product of the Roman Empire. The very name is of Greek origin and the region was named as such by the Roman Empire.

[ingliz]

@wat0n

What makes you think I am angry?

[wat0n]

@ingliz it's just a hunch

[QatzelOk]

"Palestine" is itself a product of the Roman Empire. The very name is of Greek origin and the region was named as such by the Roman Empire.

There were people living in that region before Rome had an empire.
So yes, it has been invaded many times by various empires and this always leads to death and cultural decay.

Are you saying that we should continue crusading this region forever because "it's got a Greek-sourced name?'

Because if that wasn't your "point," then you provided irrelevant information that dilutes the general ideas in the thread.

In discussions with you, I find myself arguing against your bad-faith tactics more than any actual information or ideas that you might have brought to the thread.

It's easy to just recycle mainstream media memes and provide "smarty pants" details, isn't it. But it takes everyone in the thread further and further from... debating actual ideas.

[wat0n]

There were people living in that region before Rome had an empire.
So yes, it has been invaded many times by various empires and this always leads to death and cultural decay.

Are you saying that we should continue crusading this region forever because "it's got a Greek-sourced name?'

Because if that wasn't your "point," then you provided irrelevant information that dilutes the general ideas in the thread.

In discussions with you, I find myself arguing against your bad-faith tactics more than any actual information or ideas that you might have brought to the thread.

It's easy to just recycle mainstream media memes and provide "smarty pants" details, isn't it. But it takes everyone in the thread further and further from... debating actual ideas.

I am simply showing how full of shit you are. And one of the peoples who were there before Rome had an empire have a name, Jews.