[Negotiator]

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/25/roge ... -hit-list/

Russian political analyst Daria Dugina, who was killed in a car bomb explosion in Moscow on Saturday, now appears as “liquidated” on the Ukrainian online hit list. The site was created under the watch of the Minister of Internal Affairs.

I have written about the Ukrainian hit list known as Mirotvorets, or “Peacekeeper,” twice before. The first time was in this article about internet censorship, and the second time was when a 13-year-old Ukrainian girl, Faina Savenkova, was added to the list for publicly speaking out against Kiev’s bloody war on Russian-speaking civilians in the eastern part of Ukraine, a region known as the Donbass.

Mirotvorets is a database which lists thousands of journalists, activists, and anyone else who is declared an “Enemy of Ukraine.” Their personal information is published, such as the addresses of their homes, their phone numbers and bank account numbers; anything that can help them be easily located. When the people on this list are murdered, like Italian journalist Andrea Rocchelli was, the word ЛИКВИДИРОВАН, “LIQUIDATED,” written in Ukrainian, is stamped across their picture in big red letters.

And, as of August 22, Daria Dugina, who was killed in a car bomb explosion in Moscow on Saturday, appears as “liquidated” on the website [...]

It seems that almost anyone can be added to this kill list. Even Henry Kissinger’s name is on the list despite his long history of Russophobia. But since he dared to air his concerns about how the US is teetering toward war with Russia and China, Kissinger, who once suggested dropping nuclear bombs on Moscow, is now declared an “Enemy of Ukraine.”

Really, so many people have been added to this list that it has now become a badge of honor among those opposed to Ukraine’s regime, when they are included on the Mirotvorets site.

Why this site is allowed to operate is a good question. But you can access it easily, and even donate money to help the “cause” – if you are sympathetic to Nazis and think that assassinating people for their opinions is a wholesome way to support Ukraine.

The co-founder of “Pink Floyd” is known for his support of imprisoned Wikileaks’ creator Julian Assange, and for his opposition to imperialism and war [...] Waters recently referred to Joe Biden as a “war criminal” on CNN, and said that Biden is “fueling the fire in Ukraine.”

“This war,” the musician stated, “is basically about the action and reaction of NATO pushing right up to the Russian border, which they promised they wouldn’t do when [Mikhail] Gorbachev negotiated the withdrawal of the USSR from the whole of Eastern Europe.” [...]

Investigators say that the hitlist, which was created in 2014, is supervised by the public organization “Mirotvorets Center,” which is headed by Roman Zaitsev, a former employee of Ukrainian special services, and by the public organization, “People’s Rear,” headed by George Tuka, a Ukrainian statesman and public figure. The site is also controlled by the Security Service of Ukraine and was created on the initiative of Anton Gerashchenko, the advisor to Ukraine’s Minister of Internal Affairs. Gerashchenko faces charges of terrorism in the Russian Federation for his creation of the hitlist. [...]

Under the guise of crowdfunding, investigators say, Mirotvorets receives considerable financial assistance from anonymous donors in the west. Virtually anyone can donate to the site, but the site’s most likely sponsors are Ukrainian nationalists living abroad and people associated with western intelligence agencies who have enormous amounts of taxpayer money at their disposal.

Yeah, we're clearly the good guys in this conflict.



Mind you, what Roger Waters complaints about there - that was what started the war.

And if they actually manage to murder Roger Waters, it would not serve their goals at all, quite on the contrary the negative publicity would be overwhelming.

Then again we clearly talk about actual nazis here. Which since Feb 24 our press currently claims dont exist, and are totally harmless, and there are hardly any. Anyway, we talk about people who are stupid. So this obvious thought clearly hasnt crossed their minds.

But I dont think the press could cover up Waters getting murdered.

[Deutschmania]

Unlike in the game of chess, the two sides of this conflict are not black and white. Ukraine is not necessarily altogether the good guy in this matter, but then also neither is necessarily Putin's Russia . People should examine the situation dialectically, rather than essentialize either side as being entirely good or evil. P.S. Until reading the OP , I hadn't heard of Faina Savenkova. But since her name has ended up on this hit list , I found this interview she gave . So ironically, the Ukrainian nationalists have only served to amplify the voices of dissidents , while discrediting the moral legitimacy of their own cause. As to John Waters, if Ukrainians want to take him out, they'll have to get in line behind Israel, among other countries, given how Waters first pissed them off. https://mronline.org/2022/07/14/faina-savenkova-i-wanted-americans-to-know-the-truth/ , https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/08/25/wwmt-a25.html , https://www.wrmea.org/transcending-the-israel-lobby-at-home-and-abroad/roger-waters-the-positive-impact-of-artist-boycotts-targeting-israel-and-how-to-educate-fans.html

[Wels]

The origin of the nazis in Ukraine, and how Russia did it

For all the talk of wanting to “de-nazify” Ukraine, Vladimir Putin seems to have forgotten the fact that Russia has spent years fueling its neighbor’s Nazi problem.

"The Russian government has also allegedly played a direct role in sending neo-Nazi mercenaries to Ukraine. That includes Dmitry Demushkin, who has claimed that in February 2014, then-Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin offered to make him the mayor of a city in Donbas if he would agree to lead his followers to fight in Ukraine.

A year later, Wagner-affiliated mercenary and neo-Nazi Alexei Milchakov also claimed that he, fellow Russian neo-Nazi Yan Petrovsky, and others were paid by the Russian government to do mercenary work in Ukraine, where he has since founded the neo-Nazi mercenary group Rusich and made headlines by cutting the ears off enemy corpses."

It is all here:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-shado ... putins-war

But the nazi club is moot anyway, as we know the invasion never was about nazis.

[Robert Urbanek]

The thread quoted source is managed by (Per Wikipedia) Max Blumenthal, an American journalist, author and blogger who is the editor of The Grayzone website, which is known for spreading conspiracy theories, and engaging in denial of atrocities committed by dictatorial regimes.

[Deutschmania]

The thread quoted source is managed by (Per Wikipedia) Max Blumenthal, an American journalist, author and blogger who is the editor of The Grayzone website, which is known for spreading conspiracy theories, and engaging in denial of atrocities committed by dictatorial regimes.

So what, you just committed the genetic guilt by association fallacy. The question of who said it has no valid basis on whether or not something is true. So it really is nothing more than an ad hominem

[Robert Urbanek]

So what, you just committed the genetic guilt by association fallacy. The question of who said it has no valid basis on whether or not something is true. So it really is nothing more than an ad hominem

There is also a concept known as "reliable source" and Grayzone seems about as reliable as Alex Jones, the perpetrator of the Sandy Hook crisis actors lie.

[Godstud]

Roger Waters? What about Steven Seagal??



Sheeesh, they might as well be calling for the death of Bono. So dumb.

[Negotiator]

The Ukrainian Nazis now discuss in public adding the pope to the hitlist.