[SolarCross]

You're clearly projecting emotions where there are none. I could honestly not care less what a crazy neo-feudalist thinks about his feelings.

Okay so what about your feelings towards your parents, your childhood?

[mikema63]

My parents chained me in a basement and whipped me daily, referring to me as "it".

When social workers took me away I came to love the state.

[Rei Murasame]

Other: The human that stands completely alone and imposes nothing onto anyone, is always defeated. But by contributing to a group effort, by merging herself into a party so that she is the heart, brain, or sword of the party, she becomes almost immortal. Because it is in collaboration with others that humans gain the ability to have mastery over everything and can decide everything.

'Statism' is just hierarchical human organisation, and is a necessary component which powers all human civilisations. What is power? Power is power over not just the physical environment of the earth, it is also power to get others to do what you want them to do. How can someone who refuses to draw on the power of others, hope to defeat an organised force that is ranged against them? It would be hopeless.

[mikema63]

Clearly you have an unhealthy relationship with internal organs.

[Rei Murasame]

A sword isn't an internal organ, though. In fact, that reminds me of a quote, courtesy of the Asian Party thread: [Link 1] [Link 2]

권력은 칼이다. 권력이 클수록 그 칼은 더욱 예리하다. 깊은 철학을 지니고 수양을 많이 한 사람, 하늘의 가호를 받는 사람이 아니면 누구도 자기의 큰 권세를 제대로 다룰 수 없다.

"Power is like a sword. The greater the power, the sharper the sword. No one can manage huge power if one doesn't cultivate oneself with a firm philosophical view, or if one is not protected by the mandate of heaven."

"Political power is like a sword. The greater the power, the sharper the sword. No one can control that much political power the right way without deep philosophical grounding, self control, or heaven's blessing."

That can also be an answer to this thread. Whether it's a warning or an encouragement, depends on how you look at it.

[mikema63]

The sword could be viewed as a phallic symbol here, perhaps statists are obsessed with sex?

(Also those are awesome quotes)

[The Immortal Goon]

Okay so what about your feelings towards your parents, your childhood?

I have great parents. I wouldn't change a thing about them. I have a great relationship to both of them. This said, I do have an independent streak. But that was understood and accepted by my folks who had the same streak as well.

[Paradigm]

An anarcho-capitalist trying to psychoanalyze people who disagree with him and speculating on their relationship with their parents? I think someone has been listening to Stefan Molyneaux lately. Have you defooed yet, taxizen?

[SolarCross]

An anarcho-capitalist trying to psychoanalyze people who disagree with him and speculating on their relationship with their parents? I think someone has been listening to Stefan Molyneaux lately. Have you defooed yet, taxizen?

Yes I heard him debate some ninny from the some zeitgeist movement who wants the economy to controlled by robot mommies. It is isn't total plaigarism though because I had been thinking that about what motivates people to socialism really since last christmas when I "came out" as an an-cap. In the run up to last christmas I thought of myself as an left anarchist, as you may remember, but more and more though the pristine logic of an-capism was making sense to me in ways that left anarchism never did. Then I was thinking about some kind of fusion of left and right anarchism that had the best of both paradigms. I decided I would try to found a social enterprise that was internally a commune but externally a true market facing enterprise, something like twin oaks. So I went on libcom.org to see if I could find some people to do it with. I got into this enormous debate, all the left-anarchists had such insane hostility to anything remotely capitalist and were really rude and devious too. I couldn't understand why they were so irrational and so emotional. The only helpful thing that came out of it was for me to realise that I was really an an-cap and may as well drop the left-anarchism tag as it really wasn't anything I supported anymore. But still the question lingered what is this mad bee in their collective bonnet that makes them want the world to owe them a living? So then just a few days ago I saw this debate between Molyneux and some Zeitgeister and the follow up post debate analysis where Stefan laid out his opinion that socialism was rooted in a desire for a perpetual childhood. It makes sense. At the same time I saw someone post an opinion poll "psychopathy of capitalism" and the obvious thing to do was to put a poll examining the psychology of statism. I have another theory that I have been working on here on pofo that its psychological origins are in feudalism; the socialist is trying to be a serf again.

What is "defooed"? is that a typo?

[Paradigm]

What is "defooed"? is that a typo?

A cult recruiting tactic used by Molyneux.
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Starts talking about defooing at 3:55

[SolarCross]

Oh right, well then no I haven't been "defooed" as I am sure you are relieved to hear.
I am bit skeptical of these allegations for now. It is pretty usual for some people to resort to ad-hominems and character assassination if they dislike an argument but don't have the means to refute it. I notice socialists do that a lot.

[Paradigm]

It is pretty usual for some people to resort to ad-hominems and character assassination if they dislike an argument but don't have the means to refute it.

I notice socialists do that a lot.

I'm posting these quotes separately so those who are more attentive might notice the irony here.

[SolarCross]

I notice socialists do that a lot.

Well its an observation that happens to be unflattering.

[Drlee]

Actually what 'socialists do' is refute unreliable sources. If these sources are something an opponent worships it seems like and Ad hom. Character assassination is no vice when the person one is assassinating is of more than questionable character.

[Paradigm]

Come to think of it, this whole thread is an ad hominem. The lack of self-awareness is just stunning.

[SolarCross]

Come to think of it, this whole thread is an ad hominem. The lack of self-awareness is just stunning.

Et tu.
If every utterance that isn't adulation is ad-hominem, then 90% of threads here of pofo are ad-hom against someone. In fact the entirety of socialist thought is ad-hom. How about the "psychopathy of capitalism" thread?

[Joe Liberty]

I voted Other because I think the answer depends on whom it is you're talking about.

It seems to me that most socialists are actually rather emotionally in need of a parent and they see in the state a possible surrogate mother ... Why then do some people want to stay in a condition of perpetual childhood by transferring onto the big and powerful state the same expectations they had on their big and powerful parents when they were a child? The answer must surely be that in their childhood the expectations they had on their parents were painfully unmet and so they never grow out of the desire to be dependent on a big powerful other.

I have had thoughts along these same lines for years. I know a couple of die-hard leftists, and this is indeed their motivation: they are emotionally stunted and don't want anything to do with personal responsibility. They want to be taken care of, they want to be comfortable at all times, and they demand that care and comfort be provided to them by somebody else. These people are contemptible.

However, there are also those who would fit under Answer B, who are simply rent-seekers and political entrepreneurs who see a chance to work the system. Although I feel contempt for these people too, I think they are deserving of less contempt than the perpetual children of Answer A. At least they understand what the system truly is, while the others have convinced themselves that forcing others to absolve them of responsibility is somehow noble and moral.

And finally, I know there are those who honestly believe in their leftist ideology and don't fall into either of the above categories. They're still wrong, but they aren't motivated by adolescent emotion or the desire to screw somebody over.

[mikema63]

Et tu.

Don't whine that he is ad homing some guy you like then? Seriously, on the ideological fringe you have to watch out for cults of personality. Ayn Rand certainly had one and its not a stretch that this guy would as well. Strong personalities are just like that.

Psychoanalysis is psudo-science and your using it to claim all your ideological opponents have psychological issues that make them not agree with you. If you seriously can't see the irony of complaining about ad hom's in this, of all, threads. Then you are too far gone to see reason.

[SolarCross]

Don't whine that he is ad homing some guy you like then? Seriously, on the ideological fringe you have to watch out for cults of personality. Ayn Rand certainly had one and its not a stretch that this guy would as well. Strong personalities are just like that.

Psychoanalysis is psudo-science and your using it to claim all your ideological opponents have psychological issues that make them not agree with you. If you seriously can't see the irony of complaining about ad hom's in this, of all, threads. Then you are too far gone to see reason.

Who is whining? I just said I am skeptical about the allegations, surely a scientist like yourself can't blame me for skepticism?! Psycho analysis is not proper science for sure, but then neither is history, political "science", artistic appreaciation and the everyday "science" of common sense. Us mere mortals who don't live in a lab have to find the measure of things ourselves without waiting for an egg head to do a paper on it. Sure its an inexact science but we all have to do it or nothing gets done.

[mikema63]

Psycho analysis is considered fringe by psychologists themselves.