[Lucko]

Hey everyone,

The Nanking Massacre from what I know was a very big ordeal, and granted I do not know too much about it.

Can someone write up something that I can explain to someone whom im trying to explain the Nanking massacre, mainly the bad things that have happened.

Mainly what would you say to someone that knows nothing about Nanking, and your main goal is to educate them on it, and the horrible things that the japanese did there.

Thanks, appreciate it

[THX40]

The thing that sticks out in my mind the most about it is the fact that the Japanese military was so brutal that even the NAZIS were appalled by it and offered to mediate in order to end the killing.


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[Lucko]

Are you serious?

Is there anything on that?

But yea, I am looking for a write up I can explain to someone who thinks the japanese did not do many bad things, in response to lets say the dropping of the bomb.

[Potemkin]

Start here, Lucko. The whole thing is actually well documented. And yes, even Nazi diplomats were so appalled by what they saw that they felt obliged to lodge a formal protest against the Japanese military's behaviour.

[THX40]

Are you serious? Is there anything on that?.

Watch this WWII documentary at around the 1:45 mark, they briefly talk about Nanking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ddojagedog

But yea, I am looking for a write up I can explain to someone who thinks the japanese did not do many bad things, in response to lets say the dropping of the bomb

the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese. Both nations looted the countries they conquered on a monumental scale, though Japan plundered more, over a longer period, than the Nazis. Both conquerors enslaved millions and exploited them as forced labourers – and, in the case of the Japanese, as prostitutes for front-line troops. If you were a Nazi prisoner of war from Britain, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada (but not Russia) you faced a 4 per cent chance of not surviving the war; the death rate for Allied POWs held by the Japanese was nearly 30 per cent. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n22/chalmers-johnson/the-looting-of-asia


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[JRS1]

Fuck. Me.

[Garden-of-Fascism]

It's also worth mentioning that it is an extremely touchy subject within Japan, many people will deny the whole thing, others will downplay it, and people have received death threats for talking about Japans role in it.

I wish I could remember this one really extreme case I saw a documentary about, the person ended up needing police protection.

Anyway, it's nasty as hell.

[Lucko]

Hey great stuff everyone.

PLease keep it comming. I am suprised I never heard about this more. Almost on the same level as the Nazis

[THX40]

It's also worth mentioning that it is an extremely touchy subject within Japan, many people will deny the whole thing, others will downplay it,.

That's very true. Unlike the Germans, the Japanese haven't been particularly good at honestly acknowledging their role in WWII.


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[Potemkin]

That's very true. Unlike the Germans, the Japanese haven't been particularly good at honestly acknowledging their role in WWII.

The post-war national myth in Japan is that the Japanese were victims of the war rather than aggressors. The firebombing of Tokyo and the atomic destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki helped them in that regard. There has been no working through of Japan's war guilt by any generation of Japanese since 1945, unlike in Germany.

[THX40]

The post-war national myth in Japan is that the Japanese were victims of the war rather than aggressors..

So I've heard. Well certainly rampaging across the Pacific, invading multiple countries and islands while killing tens of millions of people qualifies a nation as a "victim."


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[Garden-of-Fascism]

So I've heard. Well certainly rampaging across the Pacific, invading multiple countries and islands while killing tens of millions of people qualifies a nation as a "victim."


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Ah, it ain't no big thang.

It doesn't astound me that they deny it really, plenty of idiots out there who deny things like this. It's the ferocity with which they do it and at all levels of their society, and like I said, that they go so far as to threaten the lives of people who speak negatively about Japan regarding these events. That is the crazy thing.

[Lucko]

Has anyone wrote any books on it? Strange how its not as popular as certain events, and how people still think Japan was a victim.

[Garden-of-Fascism]

This was part of a documentary I watched, I was younger at the time and it had quite an effect on me. Glad I could find it for you because this one is particularly brutal (to me).

[Zyx]

It doesn't astound me that they deny it really, plenty of idiots out there who deny things like this. It's the ferocity with which they do it and at all levels of their society, and like I said, that they go so far as to threaten the lives of people who speak negatively about Japan regarding these events. That is the crazy thing.

More to the above point, we in the West paint the Nazis as pure evil to the point of dehumanizing them, though, in the case of chastising the Japanese and other actions, we can not factually claim them without humanity.

On the issue of Nanking, I do not believe that there is a better authority than the user cherry.

[SecretSquirrel]

The rape of Nanking was one of the largest atrocities in history

[Lucko]

I have always been passionate about the holocaust, and researching the dark times in our history....WHY have I not heard more about this?

Granted, iv heard of it, but never really looked into it.

There is hardly any books out there, hardly anything! Why???

Reading some of the first hand accounts is making me sick, and iv seen it all.

Thanks everyone for the replies, great stuff.

P.S. - I am going to write a paper on this - Can some of you give me some links with good documentation and information please?

[Potemkin]

I have always been passionate about the holocaust, and researching the dark times in our history....WHY have I not heard more about this?

Granted, iv heard of it, but never really looked into it.

There is hardly any books out there, hardly anything! Why???

Basically, because it happened in China rather than in Europe. And the victims were not killed by Communists, so there was no propaganda value for the West in reminding anyone of the atrocities of Japan, which was one of the West's key allies during the Cold War.

[Garden-of-Fascism]

P.S. - I am going to write a paper on this - Can some of you give me some links with good documentation and information please?

For school (University/Highschool)?

Don't be afraid to reference some things you find on youtube.

[Lucko]

Yes, for university, and also for my self, and get it out there.