[Rei Murasame]

Because having a functioning soul isn't good enough, apparently.

What's the definition of a 'functioning soul' at the moment?

That makes even less sense.

Yet for some reason, people still managed to believe it.

Rei, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but no amount of magic and lies is going to make it so that a country as comparatively small as Germany can systematically 12 million people quietly. People knew. Most of Germany knew, and the rest were blind morons.

Comparatively small compared to what? Nazi Europe was a massive, massive territory. Who on earth had time to think about it? They were moving people, and they been compartmentalised into believing various different stories about what was happening. Some of the low ranking people involved in actually were told that it was for construction projects because they were low on manpower.

The reason that these stories were believable to people who were not looking for what we know happened now, is that the average soldier or bureaucrat who was not on the scene of what was happening, could not have been likely to guess that they were wasting time and resources on trying to kill 13.5 million people, rather than putting that effort into the task of fighting the war.

There were some high-level people who were 'not supposed to know' who guessed it and raised the question before Wannsee, but were given Hitler's personal water-eyed assurance that it was 'not happening' even though it really was. After Wannsee it became a coordinated and concerted effort to do whatever they could do to keep it on the down low.

I don't care whether or not Tokyo had an official policy on the color of German boots, the fact remains that a moderately low ranked Japanese official knew enough about what was going on to risk being killed to help stop it.

The only reason he knew is because he was there and they approached him for help because something was happening. The reason that Sugihara acted unilaterally to save Jews was because he knew that no one was going to know what to tell him.

He even says as much himself.

Only arguably? Goodness.

Well you chose that word, not me. I'd have preferred the word 'obviously'.

[Preston Cole]

Sephardi is a Jew and I'm Slavic. Excuse us if we have an irrational desire to kill Nazis like Preston Cole and FRS. It's kind of self defense for us.

Stow that immature bullshit. I have nothing against Slavs and Jews. Yugoslavia used to be Romania's closest friend and ally when the other Slavs to the north were exercising their Stalinist terror upon us. We only betrayed that friendship when we gave the clear for you fucking Yanks to bomb the living daylights out of them. Ironic, eh?

The fact is that I'll never cheer for some bullshit "Victory Day" that ended up in Romania's enslavement. Call me a Nazi, call me whatever the fuck you like. I stick with my country regardless of what you backstabbing Yank scumbags spout.

[Independent_Srpska]

Following today's interview of the Russian ambassador in Serbia, regarding our common fight against Nazis - I learned something interesting.
In 2011, the USA and some of its EU allies voted against UN resolution which condemns glorification of Nazism and combats racism, xenophobia and discrimination.

Basically, it has been summarized in this article.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=28800

On December 19, 2011, in an extraordinary vote, Iran, Israel and Syria united in support of United Nations General Assembly Resolution A/66/460 on “Inadmissibility of Certain Practices That Contribute to Fuelling Contemporary Forms of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance.” The resolution was adopted by a majority vote of 134, with 24 opposed and 31 abstentions. Among the 32 co-sponsors of the Resolution were, notably, Iran, Syria, Belarus, the Russian Federation, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, India, Venezuela, Viet Nam. The resolution states:

4. “Expresses deep concern about the glorification of the Nazi movement and former members of the Waffen SS organization, including by erecting monuments and memorials and holding public demonstrations in the name of the glorification of the Nazi past, the Nazi movement and neo-Nazism, as well as by declaring or attempting to declare such members and those who fought against the anti-Hitler Coalition and collaborated with the Nazi movement participants in national liberation movements.

5. “Expresses concern at recurring attempts to desecrate or demolish monuments erected in remembrance of those who fought against Nazism during the Second World War, as well as to unlawfully exhume or remove the remains of such persons, and in this regard urges States to fully comply with their relevant obligations, inter alia, under Article 34 of Additional Protocol 1 to the Geneva Conventions of 1949.

8. Stresses that the practices described above do injustice to the memory of the countless victims of crimes against humanity committed in the Second World War, in particular those committed by the SS organizations and those who fought against the anti-Hitler coalition and collaborated with the Nazi movement, and poison the minds of young people, and that failure by States to effectively address such practices is incompatible with the obligation of States members of the United Nations under its Charter and is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Organization.”

In 1945 George Braziller published Michael Sayers and Albert E. Kahn’s “The Plot Against the Peace,” which documents, in chapter 6, the nazi doctrine’s explicitly defined policy of xenophobia and racial genocide against the Slavic peoples and the Jews:

“Immediately after Hitler came to power, the Nazi government launched a systematic campaign aimed at the ultimate extermination of the Jewish population of the Third Reich…” But “It was against the Slav peoples, the traditional enemy of Pan-Germanism, that the policy of genocide was most extensively applied…’It will be one of the chief tasks of German statesmanship,’ Hitler told Hermann Rauschning, ‘for all time to prevent, by every means in our power, the further increase of the Slav races.’” (From “The Plot Against the Peace,” by Sayers and Kahn, 1945).

By the end of World War II, in addition to the six million Jews exterminated by the Nazis, approximately 30 million Soviet citizens had been exterminated, only one third of whom had been soldiers.

Former United States Justice Department Attorney John Loftus, in “America’s Nazi Secret,” ( Trine Day Press, 2010), describes this process in the town of Borissow, near Minsk, typical of the genocidal policies executed throughout Nazi occupied Europe, and throughout the Soviet Union. On page 27 he writes:

“The roundup of Jews began at 3AM… The local police, bolstered by reinforcements from the neighboring town of Zembin, surrounded the ghetto… The killing went on throughout the day…Some of the guards raped the younger women before forcing them into the pits. Heads were smashed by rifle butts, and bodies were mutilated. Autopsies conducted after the war showed that some babies, out of sheer savagery or to save ammunition, had been thrown into the pits and buried alive….children were thrown into wells and hand grenades dropped down upon them, and Byelorussian policeman commanded by SS General Franz Kushel, swung infants by the heels and smashed their heads against rocks…..The SS claimed they were killing ten thousand Jews per week. …In all, about two thirds of the approximately 375,000 Jews who lived in Byelorussia before the Nazi invasion were swallowed up by the Holocaust…..Solomon Schiadow, one of the few inmates who escaped Koldichevo, later described conditions there: One day a Byelorussian caught a youngster looking at the sky as planes flew overhead, and accused the prisoner of attempting to signal enemy aircraft. The guard ordered several other Jews to hold the youth down over a table. He warned them that anyone who let go would replace the man at the table. He took out his knife and began to carve large steaks out of the living flesh of the young man, as if he were a butcher calmly working on a side of beef.” (Loftus, “America’s Nazi Secret”)

The events described above, replicated throughout Europe, in the murders of more than 30 million people, describe Nazism, a doctrine so abhorrent that any attempt to legitimize it is to legalize slavery and genocide. Yet, this year, 2011, twenty-two members of the United Nations, including the United Kingdom, the United States, Netherlands, Poland, Romania, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, France, Georgia, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Albania, Belgium, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, voted to legalize the Nazi doctrine that perpetrated mass slavery and genocide of Jews and Slavs and numerous other groups the Nazis deemed inferior races.

Even more remarkable in the voting record, is the consistency with which Iran, Syria and the Democratic Republic of Korea have voted together with Israel, year after year, after year to oppose the rehabilitation and glorification of Nazism, the Nazi past and neo-Nazism.

It is indeed remarkable that the very same states that voted to permit the restoration of Nazism voted the following week to condemn Syria for human rights abuses. The appalling and willful indifference of 22 “developed” countries – indeed their condoning the horrors of Nazism, probably the worst scourge of atrocities in the history of the human species, must be considered the grossest hypocrisy when these same 22 countries sanctimoniously condemn Syria for human rights violations. If these 22 states tolerate the revival of Nazism, by what standard do they condemn Syria? Further, together with Israel, Iran voted to support A/66/460, prohibiting the resurrection of Nazi doctrine. Iran voted to oppose that very same Nazism which exterminated the entire population of Jews in Europe and the Soviet Union.

But this is just the beginning of the disconnect. According to John Loftus (“America’s Nazi Secret”, page 83):

“The United States Counter-Intelligence Corps’ primary task was to identify and arrest Nazi war criminals and key officials. But the denazification program was the responsibility of area military commanders… The Pentagon began smuggling top Nazi scientists into the United States under ‘Operation Paperclip,’ fraudulently identifying them… The recruitment of Nazi war criminals into the United States vastly expanded, and DP camps were scoured by the Operations Research Office of the Pentagon interested in the use of Nazi collaborators ‘in the hope of obtaining information of value in the event of an American invasion of Russia” (Loftus, 117). Harvard University was linked to this program. “The Harvard Institute for Russian Research was funded by OPC (Office of Poly Coordination)… The B-6 series of interviews, for example, covered such non-academic topics as the best method for dropping paratroopers, the utility of Nazi anti-partisan operations, the popularity of Nazi sponsored political organizations….Several of those interviewed candidly acknowledged that they had held positions in Nazi police or intelligence organization. One even admitted that he was hiding out because he was wanted as a major war criminal. Apparently they were more than willing to confess participation in criminal activities because they suspected that the person conducting the interview was more than just another Harvard researcher.” (Loftus, p. 118)

Following the CIA overthrow of Premier Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran in 1953, and the military coup against democratically elected President Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala, the intelligence community “waited for a signal to begin making serious trouble for the Soviet Union, especially in the occupied countries of Eastern Europe.”

“In 1955 the National Security Council issued NSC 5412/1 which stated: ‘In accordance with established policies, in areas dominated or threatened by international communism, develop underground resistance and facilitate covert and guerrilla operations…Specifically, such operations shall include any covert activities related to: propaganda, political action, economic warfare, direct action, including sabotage, antisabotage, demolition, escape and evasion and evacuation measures; assistance to underground resistance movements, guerrillas and refugee liberation groups; support of indigenous and anti-communist elements in threatened countries of the free world, deception plans and operations and all compatible activities necessary to accomplish the foregoing……The OPC authorized an operation designed to incite simultaneous revolts against Soviet authority in each of the major cities of Eastern Europe, which were to be followed by a civil war among the ethnic and religious minorities within the Soviet Union…. The OPC Nazi ‘liberation armies’ would be dropped in to attack the scattered Soviet garrisons. Roads, bridges and rail lines would be blown up or blocked to prevent the movement of Russian reinforcements. After the Soviets had been sufficiently weakened, NATO troops would be dispatched as a peacekeeping force with the declaration that they would remain only long enough to restore order and conduct democratic elections….A few years before President Truman had ordered a study prepared for an invasion of the Soviet Union.” (Loftus, p. 131).

Among the most high ranking Nazi war criminals brought into the United States were Radoslaw Ostrowsky, Emanuel Jasiuk and SS General Kushel.

“By 1951 CIC investigators realized that Jasiuk was the central figure in a Nazi underground railroad that assisted war criminals to come to the United States…. To prevent the cancellation of any more of its prosecutions, the CIC submitted a formal complaint up the chain of command on the handling of Jasiuk…..The protest finally reached General John Weckerling, Chief of Military Intelligence at the Pentagon, who agreed that the Nazi smuggling operation was deplorable… He told J. Edgar Hoover on January 2, 1951 that the Air Force had apparently used a Nazi war criminal as an informant and that the State Department had permitted him to enter the United States. Hoover expressed an interest in the case, for it seemed likely to fit in with his plan to expand the FBI’s domestic intelligence capabilities. When FBI agents went to visit Jasiuk, it was not to arrest him but to recruit him…..Jasiuk and other Nazis had found their ultimate protector, the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the U.S. Department of Justice.” (Loftus, P. 190)

Following World War II, innumerable Nazi war criminals were comfortably and illegally settled in countries of Europe and throughout the United States, where at least some of their children and grandchildren may well have been educated in the Nazi doctrine of racial supremacy that required the extermination or enslavement of all races deemed inferior to “Aryans.” This may help explain why, since 2006, members of the European Union abstained on this United Nations resolution “expressing deep concern at the glorification of the Nazi movement,” while in all preceding years the United States, in virtual isolation actually opposed the Resolution A/66/460. This year, a year which is exposing the failure of the capitalist system in Europe and the USA, the members of the European Union for the first time actually opposed Resolution A/66/460 together with the United States. Iran, Syria, Israel, the Democratic Republic of Korea, together all supporters of A/66/460 revealed their revulsion at the nazi resurgence. One can only wonder by what moral authority nazi-condoning Europe condemns anti-nazi Iran, Syria and the Democratic Republic of Korea.

And, indeed, the blueprint elaborated in 1955 in NSC 5412/1 seems to have been retained, and enacted in recent US/NATO actions against the former Yugoslavia, Libya, and numerous other countries too independent of US/NATO control.

The current European Union attempt to equate the crimes of nazism with communism, an obfuscation formulated in the recent “Prague Declaration on European Conscience and Communism” is an insidious form of Holocaust denial, intended to camouflage the explicitly racist and genocidal character of Nazism, and intended to desecrate the heroic legacy of the Soviet Union’s victory over the psychotic racist and xenophobic nazi assault against humanity in World War II. This Orwellian falsification of history is bringing us to the brink of World War III.

Global Research Articles by Carla Stea

[Wolfman]

What's the definition of a 'functioning soul' at the moment?

Thinking this is a bad thing.

Yet for some reason, people still managed to believe it.

Only the blind morons.

Comparatively small compared to what?

1939 Germany (Holocaust going on) was small compared to Russia, China, and the US. A large amount of Germans left Germany to go to Russia and later the US because of overcrowding. Germany didn't the space to secretly murder a bunch of people and convince everyone they were being deported.

The reason that these stories were believable to people who were not looking for what we know happened now, is that the average soldier or bureaucrat who was not on the scene of what was happening, could not have been likely to guess that they were wasting time and resources on trying to kill 13.5 million people, rather than putting that effort into the task of fighting the war.

Anyone who spent anytime at all thinking about it would have figured out their bullshit in a minute. Especially the people who lived near the camps since they could smell the people being killed.

The only reason he knew is because he was there and they approached him for help because something was happening. The reason that Sugihara acted unilaterally to save Jews was because he knew that no one was going to know what to tell him.

Except for the little part about him being arrested and what not.

Stow that immature bullshit. I have nothing against Slavs and Jews. Yugoslavia used to be Romania's closest friend and ally when the other Slavs to the north were exercising their Stalinist terror upon us. We only betrayed that friendship when we gave the clear for you fucking Yanks to bomb the living daylights out of them. Ironic, eh?

You're a Nazi. Hating Jews and Slavs kind of goes with the territory kiddo.

The fact is that I'll never cheer for some bullshit "Victory Day" that ended up in Romania's enslavement. Call me a Nazi, call me whatever the fuck you like. I stick with my country regardless of what you backstabbing Yank scumbags spout.

Next time a genocidal maniac comes to power, don't side with him and help him execute people and we wont bomb you. It's a fairly simple idea.
Basic respect for human dignity = we ignore you.

[Rei Murasame]

Thinking this is a bad thing.

Well, you've have to forgive me if it all just becomes fuzzy in the midst of all the myriad acts of gratuitous violence being perpetually committed by nations all over the world.

Only the blind morons.

In other words most people.

1939 Germany (Holocaust going on) was small compared to Russia, China, and the US.

And?

A large amount of Germans left Germany to go to Russia and later the US because of overcrowding. Germany didn't the space to secretly murder a bunch of people and convince everyone they were being deported.

Apparently they did, though!

Anyone who spent anytime at all thinking about it would have figured out their bullshit in a minute.

Apparently they didn't.

Especially the people who lived near the camps since they could smell the people being killed.

What do you suppose the population density around the camps was, and who do you suppose they could've told about their suspicions?

Except for the little part about him being arrested and what not.

By Germans, yes.

_______________________

Next time a genocidal maniac comes to power, don't side with him and help him execute people and we wont bomb you. It's a fairly simple idea.

Or perhaps I could say to you "Next time don't muscle your way into a foreign country and impose unequal and extortionate treaties, and we won't side with a genocidal maniac while bombing your motherfucking harbour".

[Wolfman]

Well, you've have to forgive me if it all just becomes fuzzy in the midst of all the myriad acts of gratuitous violence being perpetually committed by nations all over the world.

The Nazis took that to entirely new levels, and we both know it.

What do you suppose the population density around the camps was, and who do you suppose they could've told about their suspicions?

Irrelevant. Large numbers of people knew if only because of where they lived.

Or perhaps I could say to you "Next time don't muscle your way into a foreign country and impose unequal and extortionate treaties, and we won't side with a genocidal maniac while bombing your motherfucking harbour".

"Don't bitch about being brought out of the Dark Ages"

[Rei Murasame]

The Nazis took that to entirely new levels, and we both know it.

Do we? Because I recall that on the English-ancestry side of my family, the exact same stuff was literally done to people by them. The only reason you didn't know is because we all kept it as colonialist secrets or whatever (surprisingly easy to do, by just not talking to the press of what the maintenance of Empire requires), until the Guardian newspaper finally has found out about last month - basically three generations late.

There are mass graves in Africa with African bones in them. Ones created by Britain. And no, the Guardian has not found all of them.

The UK is full of shit every time it speaks of human rights.

I feel like I'm in the unique situation of being descended from so-called 'evil murderers' on both sides of the Second World War!

Irrelevant. Large numbers of people knew if only because of where they lived.

You're really telling me that they can't hide dead bodies better than the British military?

"Don't bitch about being brought out of the Dark Ages"

"That's really rich coming from a Sharia law apologist."

[Section Leader]

VE Day was a victory for decadence, decay and the death of the west. While the actual men who won the war were not liberals on the whole, they laid the foundations for over half a century of cultural destruction, the institution of a feeling of guilt simply for being a white European and essentially the collapse of western civilization.

For the peoples of Europe, the best outcome of the war would have been the British getting rid of Churchill by hook or by crook (either shoot him or simply lock him up) and making peace with Germany and Italy then materially assisting Japan in defeating America. I feel no particularly harsh emotions against individual Americans, but the way American society was shifting at the time and the types of people who held power and influence meant they were a deadly enemy of the west. You had the Frankfurt School, Roosevelt passionately supporting the destruction of the great European empires to allow America to take a position of dominance and so on and so forth.

[Preston Cole]

Next time a genocidal maniac comes to power, don't side with him and help him execute people and we wont bomb you. It's a fairly simple idea.

If you had any basic historical perspective other than the revisionist drivel you keep puddling, you'd know that Germany's smaller allies never willingly became Axis members. Romania was threatened with destruction by both Russia and Germany if it rejected entry into the Axis. As a nationalist, I'd have been the last guy to agree to Axis membership given the Second Vienna Award, but still, it was good to be part of an alliance that opposed your shitty country's degenerate political system.

Basic respect for human dignity = we ignore you.

More like basic respect for human dignity (American version) = become an American NATO puppet.

You're a Nazi. Hating Jews and Slavs kind of goes with the territory kiddo.

And you're a moron.

[Wolfman]

Do we? Because I recall that on the English-ancestry side of my family, the exact same stuff was literally done to people by them. The only reason you didn't know is because we all kept it as colonialist secrets or whatever (surprisingly easy to do, by just not talking to the press of what the maintenance of Empire requires), until the Guardian newspaper finally has found out about last month - basically three generations late.

There are mass graves in Africa with African bones in them. Ones created by Britain. And no, the Guardian has not found all of them.

I would love to see some evidence of Holocaust-like activities done by the British. Because I'm betting you're full of shit right now.

The UK is full of shit every time it speaks of human rights.

I feel like I'm in the unique situation of being descended from so-called 'evil murderers' on both sides of the Second World War!

People can (and do) change.

"That's really rich coming from a Sharia law apologist."

Said the fascist to the winner of the war.

If you had any basic historical perspective other than the revisionist drivel you keep puddling, you'd know that Germany's smaller allies never willingly became Axis members. Romania was threatened with destruction by both Russia and Germany if it rejected entry into the Axis. As a nationalist, I'd have been the last guy to agree to Axis membership given the Second Vienna Award, but still, it was good to be part of an alliance that opposed your shitty country's degenerate political system.

So, you're apologizing for the group that occupied your country? Wow, Nationalism must be like Demetia or something if that makes any sense to you. And the reason I don't know about the historic nuisances of Romania's participation in WWII is because I don't care. No one cares. Why? Because Romania is irrelevant.

More like basic respect for human dignity (American version) = become an American NATO puppet.

None sense. We've ignored the existence of plenty of countries that respected human dignity without doing anything to them.

And you're a moron.

You mad bro? I would be too if I was a follower of a hilariously flawed ideology that lost a war, which, my own ideology says makes me genetically inferior scum.

[Potemkin]

I would love to see some evidence of Holocaust-like activities done by the British.

Are you serious?

The only moral difference between Nazi Germany and the British Empire was that the Nazis made the mistake of committing their atrocities in Europe rather than in Africa or Asia.

[Wolfman]

There's a hilariously large difference between mass executions and mass starvation/being worked to death.

[Sceptic]

^Not to mention human experimentation conducted by nazis.

[Wolfman]

I was trying to be brief, but yes. So far as I'm aware the majority of the executions done by the British during the colonial days were just that: executions. Not some of the hilariously inhumane things the Nazis did.

[Rei Murasame]

Well that's a pretty amazing distinction:

• Once we start differentiating between working someone to death versus just shooting them, then we are in a pretty strange situation where social democrats are making shades of grey where none previously existed, just to cover for Allied powers.
  
  
• Britain didn't work people to death, it indeed saw that certain people occupied certain nice areas of land that were of a good climate and were for producing crops, and so the order came down from someone in the homeland to remove those people from that land. They were removed to camps, colonial administrators and bureaucrats signed off on it and those people later mysteriously were evacuated to a position six feet under the earth.
  
  All documents related to these sorts of operations were burned, except some idiot obviously didn't burn his or her lot well enough since some are actually in the national archives, and some are now held by Guardian UK, in good enough condition that it's possible to piece together a scenario of systematic ghettoisation and extermination of ethnic groups.

Most of the smiley people in the UK are completely unaware of all this, because they sat at home and talked about lofty liberal ideas while colonialists were fighting a perpetual bush-war against the so-called 'darkies' inbetween sipping Earl Grey and snorting cocaine.

Oh, British liberals don't know about the cocaine either! The people whose ancestors stayed in the homeland don't know any of these wild stories.

[Political Interest]

The war by the Germans was one which sought to destroy the Slavs and Germanify the Balts. When the eastern peoples celebrate 9th May it is not about communism, it is about the survival against an enemy which wanted to kill all of them without question. Can it be conceived what the Germans would have done to the Slavs had they won? National Socialism and Marxism are both twin evils because they are anti-human and place emphasis on material things. For the Nazis it is blood and genetics, for the Marxists it is class and economic status. No one has a choice over which government falls ontop of their heads so you can forgive the Russian, Ukrainian, Belarussian, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Kazakhs and other peoples for not wanting to see a German victory.

[fuser]

Not to mention human experimentation conducted by nazis.

Are you sure no such experiments were conducted by British Empire?

De-classified documents of the National Archives revealed that during the 1930s and 1940s, the British Army used hundreds of British and native British Indian Army soldiers as "guinea pigs" in their experiments to determine if mustard gas inflicted greater damage on Indian skin compared to British skin.

There's a hilariously large difference between mass executions and mass starvation/being worked to death.

Potemkin is right, the only difference was that Germany did it in Europe and I will say were more efficient (damn Germans and their efficiency)

Just to give one example :
In British India :

The Anti-Charitable Contributions Act of 1877 prohibited “private relief donations that potentially interfered with the market fixing of grain prices.(so much for free market )” The only relief permitted in most districts was hard labour, from which anyone in an advanced state of starvation was turned away. Within the labour camps, the workers were given just nominal food. In 1877, monthly mortality in the camps equated to an annual death rate of 94%.

I won't call it more humane thing to do.

[Rei Murasame]

they are anti-human and place emphasis on material things

Political Interest, I've thought about that issue of materialism as well, but it seems that ultimately all ideologies must touch that base, or at least attempt to touch it, otherwise it becomes increasingly difficult for it to self-justify or maintain coherence.

Even ideologies that claim to have no material aspect, do have a material aspect, and it is more dangerous to a people not to know what it is, than it is to know what it is and vet it.

Plus, not being able to be materialist, would mean that you would end up accepting a lot of things without knowing whether it is in your interest to really do so.

In 1877, monthly mortality in the camps equated to an annual death rate of 94%.

That one is really astonishing to me (I know very few proper details on the Indian saga). Is the Indian public aware of that one?

[fuser]

Not specifically.

[Potemkin]

The Anti-Charitable Contributions Act of 1877 prohibited “private relief donations that potentially interfered with the market fixing of grain prices.(so much for free market )”

Actually, this was a pro-free market measure. The British ruling class in the 19th century had an almost religious faith in the free market (except when it was against their personal interests, of course, in which case tariffs were the order of the day). This led to devastating famines in Ireland and India, which were exacerbated by such 'anti-charitable' legislation. After all, charity distorts the free market by giving stuff away for free. If the market decrees that Irish or Indian peasants must starve and die, then who are we to dispute the mysterious workings of Divine Providence (aka 'The Invisible Hand')? This is why in Britain, liberalism is associated with a rigid social hierarchy, class privilege and monstrous cruelty to the lowest and weakest members of society, and is why both the far Left and the far Right are united in our hatred of it.