- 14 Sep 2012 16:31
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Surrender:
transitive verb
1) to yield to the power, control, or possession of another upon compulsion or demand <surrendered the fort>
2) to give up completely or agree to forgo especially in favor of another
3) to give (oneself) up into the power of another especially as a prisoner
4) to give (oneself) over to something (as an influence)
intransitive verb
1) to give oneself up into the power of another
In the course of the Pacific War from beginning to end and with few exceptions the Japanese High command held the view that the United States, Canada, Australia, Great Britain and the people of Asia did not have the political or moral will to accept the casualties necessary to defeat it. This was essentially 'Magical Thinking' on their part based on their idiotic notion that the higher value the Allies put on (friendly) human life was an indication of weakness.
The Japanese did not want the terms you suggest, "terms similar to those which governed the actual surrender, i.e. maintenance of the emperor as a constitutional monarch."
The Japanese:
•wanted the emperor to remain (by the way he wasn't a constitutional monarch he was more akin to a Pharaoh),
•wanted immunity from war trials held by the Allies,
•did not want an occupation force,
•wanted to maintain some territory they had acquired through conquest.
After Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the Russian Invasion of Manchuria and on or about 9 August War Minister Korechika Anami said,
"We cannot pretend, to claim that victory is certain, but it is far too early to say that the war is lost. That we will inflict severe losses on the enemy when he invades Japan is certain, and it is by no means impossible that we may be able to reverse the situation in our favor, pulling victory out of defeat.
Furthermore, our Army will not submit to demobilization. Our men simply will not lay down their arms. And since they know they are not permitted to surrender, since they know that a fighting man who surrenders is liable to extremely heavy punishment, there is really no alternative for us but to continue the war."
War Minister Anami and two Chiefs of Staff, Umezu for the Army and Toyoda for the Navy were in agreement on this.
The Allies gave Japan far more favorable terms than they had any right to expect or deserved. This is especially true with respect to allowing the little war criminal Emperor(Phosgene) Hirohito to keep his position. By all that is holy Hirohito deserved to dance at the end of a rope in Nanjing China after being put on public display in a crows cage in Washington DC, Ottawa, London, Holland, Canberra, Port Moresby, Manila, Kuala Lumpur, Saigon, Naypyidaw and Peking. But in retrospect Hirohito was a very useful and compliant punk for general MacArthur to order around and manipulate during the occupation of Japan.
Eran wrote:In all likelihood, such a good-faith effort would have resulted in a Japanese surrender under terms similar to those which governed the actual surrender, i.e. maintenance of the emperor as a constitutional monarch.It has been made very clear to you by a number of posters that the only Nation that was not operating in good faith at any level was the Empire Of Japan. I am terribly sorry but those that initiate warfare and then fail miserably in their efforts NEVER set the terms of surrender. Japan offered no quarter in its conduct of the War and deserved no special considerations.
Surrender:
transitive verb
1) to yield to the power, control, or possession of another upon compulsion or demand <surrendered the fort>
2) to give up completely or agree to forgo especially in favor of another
3) to give (oneself) up into the power of another especially as a prisoner
4) to give (oneself) over to something (as an influence)
intransitive verb
1) to give oneself up into the power of another
In the course of the Pacific War from beginning to end and with few exceptions the Japanese High command held the view that the United States, Canada, Australia, Great Britain and the people of Asia did not have the political or moral will to accept the casualties necessary to defeat it. This was essentially 'Magical Thinking' on their part based on their idiotic notion that the higher value the Allies put on (friendly) human life was an indication of weakness.
The Japanese did not want the terms you suggest, "terms similar to those which governed the actual surrender, i.e. maintenance of the emperor as a constitutional monarch."
The Japanese:
•wanted the emperor to remain (by the way he wasn't a constitutional monarch he was more akin to a Pharaoh),
•wanted immunity from war trials held by the Allies,
•did not want an occupation force,
•wanted to maintain some territory they had acquired through conquest.
After Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the Russian Invasion of Manchuria and on or about 9 August War Minister Korechika Anami said,
"We cannot pretend, to claim that victory is certain, but it is far too early to say that the war is lost. That we will inflict severe losses on the enemy when he invades Japan is certain, and it is by no means impossible that we may be able to reverse the situation in our favor, pulling victory out of defeat.
Furthermore, our Army will not submit to demobilization. Our men simply will not lay down their arms. And since they know they are not permitted to surrender, since they know that a fighting man who surrenders is liable to extremely heavy punishment, there is really no alternative for us but to continue the war."
War Minister Anami and two Chiefs of Staff, Umezu for the Army and Toyoda for the Navy were in agreement on this.
The Allies gave Japan far more favorable terms than they had any right to expect or deserved. This is especially true with respect to allowing the little war criminal Emperor(Phosgene) Hirohito to keep his position. By all that is holy Hirohito deserved to dance at the end of a rope in Nanjing China after being put on public display in a crows cage in Washington DC, Ottawa, London, Holland, Canberra, Port Moresby, Manila, Kuala Lumpur, Saigon, Naypyidaw and Peking. But in retrospect Hirohito was a very useful and compliant punk for general MacArthur to order around and manipulate during the occupation of Japan.
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