[quetzalcoatl]

Wages have to drop until people stop hypercompeting and actually talk with each other about participating in the marketplace.

Like I just cited to Wolfman, civilization is art. If people insist on doing menial labor instead, they deserve to get paid less for being uncivil.

The world being as it is people still have to survive. Paying the water bills, the rent, and buying food, doncha know.

Few relish menial labor, but even fewer relish missing meals.

[Kman]

Kman are these allegations true or are they just slander?

Havent you learned by now to never trust anything Wolfman says ever? The guy is an absurd little troll.

[Preston Cole]

Kman has oddball racialist comments to make here and there, and he has a quirky interpretation of self-defense.

N-A is strange enough, so it wouldn't be much if any a stretch to include him with it.

I'm pretty sure National Anarchists have an earnest dedication to nationalism, traditionalism and a collectivist economic framework aside from some simple racialist opinions. They are literally not far apart from fascist and reactionary nationalism save for their anti-State ramblings, which honestly negates their nationalism in many ways. I haven't followed Kman's posts too much, but what racialist things I did see him say sound more like the politically incorrect statements a "self-made" businessman and capitalist would say (quite unrelated to nationalism), and I applaud him for that. But calling him National Anarchist is an idiotic stretch.

[Wolfman]

I haven't followed Kman's posts too much, but what racialist things I did see him say sound more like the politically incorrect statements a "self-made" businessman and capitalist would say (quite unrelated to nationalism), and I applaud him for that. But calling him National Anarchist is an idiotic stretch.

If Dave was not an Anti-Semite but was an Anarchist and talked about race/sex/sexual identity less and how awesome Austrian Economics was and had a persecution complex regarding mainstream Economics, and claimed to live in Denmark but was fooling no one, you would have Kman plus or minus.

[Kman]

Oh yeah and could you please dig up the quote where I called for a race war ''implicitly'' as you say.

[Wolfman]

I have neither the time nor the patience to go through your 8,178 posts of hand-diarrhea.

[Rainbow Crow]

The problem with the ten conservative principles is that I'm not sure they continue to describe the modern Republican party in the US.

[SecretSquirrel]

I have neither the time nor the patience to go through your 8,178 posts of hand-diarrhea.

Baseless slander then. Just as I had come to not despise you, wolfboy, you strike again.

[quetzalcoatl]

The problem with the ten conservative principles is that I'm not sure they continue to describe the modern Republican party in the US.

Alas, that is the problem with political (or economic) principles in general.

[Daktoria]

The problem with the ten conservative principles is that I'm not sure they continue to describe the modern Republican party in the US.

Yea, today's GOP is loaded with Rockefeller Republicanism that only cares about people being productive. It's privatized the very properness of private property.

Frank Meyer and Russell Kirk have complained about this utilitarianism. Today's GOP completely compromises on social issues, ignoring how substance can't exist without due process. Instead, it says that only people who are substantive enough are entitled to due process.

It's better to classify today's GOP as classically liberal than conservative. After all, classic liberalism was the birthplace of labor theory of value which bred this addiction to substantive before procedural justice in the first place.

I've tried discussing this with libertarians who want to challenge the political establishment, but libertarians don't realize how they cultivate the same old cultural relativism as GOP elites.

[SecretSquirrel]

The GOP is not classically liberal in any way, shape, or form. You would have to be in the middle of delirium tremens to think that the GOP is classical liberal.

1 - Warmongering
2 - Pandering to Christian whackos
3 - Anti-Immigrant
4 - In favor of Medicare/Medicaid (as evidenced by its expansion under W)
5 - Talk out of both sides of their mouth regarding subsidies
6 - Want to Repeal and "Replace" Obamacare, instead of "Repeal and Burn in Effigy then Piss on Ashes"
7 - Prohibitionists on drugs

just a start

[Daktoria]

Are you denying that classic liberalism acknowledges labor theory of value?

It's rather fundamental to Adam Smith you know.

[Preston Cole]

If Dave was not an Anti-Semite but was an Anarchist and talked about race/sex/sexual identity less and how awesome Austrian Economics was and had a persecution complex regarding mainstream Economics, and claimed to live in Denmark but was fooling no one, you would have Kman plus or minus.

Yeah, because a real racialist, nationalist and National Anarchist would talk more about economics, how the state infringes upon individual rights and how a big state apparatus is tyranny than he'd talk about race, minorities, national conservation and traditions.

I'm gonna go with the rest of the crowd here and say you're a schizophrenic.

[SecretSquirrel]

Are you denying that classic liberalism acknowledges labor theory of value?

It's rather fundamental to Adam Smith you know.

"Adam Smith" =/= "Classical Liberal"

And the LTV is considered one of his weaknesses. LTV is definitely not a plank of Classical Liberalism so YES I am denying it.

Please also refute this:

The GOP is not classically liberal in any way, shape, or form. You would have to be in the middle of delirium tremens to think that the GOP is classical liberal.

1 - Warmongering
2 - Pandering to Christian whackos
3 - Anti-Immigrant
4 - In favor of Medicare/Medicaid (as evidenced by its expansion under W)
5 - Talk out of both sides of their mouth regarding subsidies
6 - Want to Repeal and "Replace" Obamacare, instead of "Repeal and Burn in Effigy then Piss on Ashes"
7 - Prohibitionists on drugs

[Wolfman]

The problem with the ten conservative principles is that I'm not sure they continue to describe the modern Republican party in the US.

As I said, the last big "C" Conservative President we had was Eisenhower. Everyone since then has basically just been screaming about the Democrats are evil.

Baseless slander then. Just as I had come to not despise you, wolfboy, you strike again.

Because I care about your approval

Yeah, because a real racialist, nationalist and National Anarchist would talk more about economics, how the state infringes upon individual rights and how a big state apparatus is tyranny than he'd talk about race, minorities, national conservation and traditions.

So, because Kman doesn't spend all of his time howling about the evil N***** and chincs like a schizophrenic waving his penis at traffic, he isn't a racist?

[Daktoria]

1 - Warmongering

For the sake of Zionism. That has labor theory of value written all over it.

2 - Pandering to Christian whackos

Protestant Work Ethic. More labor theory of value.

3 - Anti-Immigrant

This is superficial at best. The GOP has made little to no strides in actually reinforcing the border or deporting immigrants.

Again, labor theory of value.

4 - In favor of Medicare/Medicaid (as evidenced by its expansion under W)

Yes, by expanding universal health care, elites encourage the base to keep on trucking under rugged individualism AKA labor theory of value.

5 - Talk out of both sides of their mouth regarding subsidies

The more government subsidies, the easier people can work without personal relationships. Labor theory of value.

6 - Want to Repeal and "Replace" Obamacare, instead of "Repeal and Burn in Effigy then Piss on Ashes"

Again, see medicare/medicaid.

7 - Prohibitionists on drugs

This is a split issue.

On one hand, you have the War on Drugs which encourages people to struggle against lifestyle problems.

On the other hand, the War on Drugs has been a massive flop wasting taxpayer resources.

Either way, labor theory of value.

[SecretSquirrel]

LTV is NOT a plank of classical liberalism. You are answering my question through the wrong lens!

[Preston Cole]

So, because Kman doesn't spend all of his time howling about the evil N***** and chincs like a schizophrenic waving his penis at traffic, he isn't a racist?

WTF. A racist =/= a nationalist. A racist president can be racist all day long and keep his country in abject poverty (Romania's president comes to mind), that's about how clearly racism = genuine nationalism or a fascistic movement like the NA. Next you'll say Mel Gibson is fascist.

[SecretSquirrel]

Mel Gibson is just a drunk with anger management issues. I seriously doubt that he is an actual anti-semite.

I hate that he let himself get caught saying stupid shit because I really love his movies and now Hollywood won't let him make em anymore

[Wolfman]

WTF. A racist =/= a nationalist. A racist president can be racist all day long and keep his country in abject poverty (Romania's president comes to mind), that's about how clearly racism = genuine nationalism or a fascistic movement like the NA.

So, he's missing one thing.

Next you'll say Mel Gibson is fascist.

In the strictest sense, no, but I think he's said some things that imply he wants a theocracy.