[noir]

The censuses view in Israel is sceptical toward German outpouring generosity "In the name of justice and morality, in the name of the desire to give humans freedom, Germany is taking a huge gamble. It may be committing suicide. The far right will gain power, the immigrants will have an influence, the country will change. The one million refugees that Germany plans to take in, and hundreds of thousands who are arriving in different ways, will turn into a large minority within Germany. The chance that they will integrate into Europe's Western-liberal culture is not high.

Historical experience shows that frustration creates disappointment, followed by children growing with hatred. That's how it is with the Muslim minority in France, Britain and Holland. That's how it is with young Western Muslims, the second and third generation of immigrants, who leave their safe home in order to volunteer with the Islamic State in the Middle East and kill other Westerners and Muslims.

Germany can deal with several million Syrian refugees demographically, but it can't necessarily deal with the long-term outcomes. So it is precisely because of this risk that the change is so impressive.

A tsunami warning for Europe

Op-ed: The refugee crisis in Europe is, strangely, giving new life to old borders. Not long ago, Europeans condemned Israel for building fences; now they are learning from us. In Israel, people complained that there was no policy; this week, Hungary changed its policy on a daily basis.
Published: 09.04.15, 11:00 / Israel Opinion


Before we get to the numbers, the difficulties and the dilemmas, one must remember that these are people made of flesh and blood. They have become victims. The vast majority, if not all of them, are true refugees. The dilemma is not Europe's, which ultimately, even with all the difficulties, will take them all in. The problem is the refugees' own.

Europe used to attack Israel on its "apartheid wall".

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 21,00.html

Europe exploring Israeli solutions to migrant crisis


Bulgaria and Hungary are looking into Israeli designed border fences and systems in order to help tackle the massive refugee crises currently enveloping European nations.
Reuters
Published: 09.03.15, 17:23 / Israel News


Faced with a surge in migration from the Middle East and North Africa, two European countries are exploring the possibility of erecting towering steel security fences along parts of their borders, similar to Israel's barrier with

Hungary and Bulgaria have made preliminary inquiries about buying the Israeli-designed fences, according to an Israeli business source who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the discussions.

Both EU countries are beefing up their borders to deter migrants, many of them refugees from wars, who are seeking to use them as gateways to richer countries further north and west, particularly Germany.

But moves to throw up such barriers - which could be around 5-6 metres (15-20 feet) high, topped with razor wire and equipped with cameras and motion sensors - would evoke memories of Cold War-era divisions in Europe and exasperate EU officials who say they would not help to solve the crisis.

Bulgarian and Hungarian officials indicated that such discussions about security fences were taking place.

"I presume that such is the case because the cooperation between the (Israeli and Bulgarian) ministries of internal affairs and security is quite intensive," said Rayko Pepelanov, Bulgaria's deputy ambassador in Israel.


"I cannot give you any details right now, but I think that we have taken from the Israeli experiences as much as we can."

Hungary's foreign affairs and trade ministry said it "does not dispose of information about ongoing Israeli-Hungarian negotiations on buying Israeli-designed border fences".

The Israeli source said any deals remained some way off, pointing to budget constraints and the political sensitivity in the European Union over erecting fences to control the flow of migrants and refugees from Syria, Iraq, Libya and elsewhere.

"(European countries) all want solutions and see the relevance of our technologies," the source said. "But they also need EU support and this has not been forthcoming."

The European Commission, the EU executive, has said it opposes the construction of fences but accepts it is up to each nation to decide how it protects its borders.

"Fences ... do not send the right message, particularly to our neighbours," said spokeswoman Mina Andreeva.

Down to the wire

The type of fence the countries have expressed interest in is the one Israel has constructed along its 230 km (143-mile) border with Egypt, rather than the steel-and-concrete barrier that separates the West Bank from Israel and East Jerusalem.

The Egyptian fence was built over three years and completed in 2013, with the aim of stopping an influx of migrants from Africa and guarding against raids by Islamist insurgents.

The fence cost the Israeli government around $380 million. A similar-style barrier is likely to cost foreign customers about 15 percent more - up to $1.9 million per km, according to industry sources, although hills, forests and other difficult European topography could drive the price higher.

Erecting such barriers would represent a significant step-up in security for Hungary and Bulgaria.


The former is already completing a 3.5-metre-high fence along its border with Serbia, while the latter has erected a fence about 3 metres high on its Turkish border. But the Israeli-designed barriers, as well as being taller, would be more heavily fortified and have more sophisticated electronic defences.

Hungary has emerged as a flashpoint in the crisis, as the primary entry point for those travelling overland across the Balkans. Its right-wing government is among the continent's most outspoken voices against allowing mass immigration.

But EU officials have been critical of Budapest, with some pointing out the irony of the country that first opened the Iron Curtain frontier with Austria in 1989, before the Berlin Wall came down, taking the lead in erecting new barriers.

Frontex, the EU agency responsible for border management, is opposed to fences and has made clear the European Union will not help member states finance them.


"When you talk about the management of migratory flows, the fence itself is not the solution, just as border control is not the panacea for migration flows," said spokeswoman Izabella Cooper. "You have to stabilise the countries of origin from which the refugees flee."

Columnist Holocaust Survivor, Noah Klieger

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 78,00.html

It's the beginning of the end of Europe

Op-ed: The Europeans are failing to realize that Muslim refugees will lead to the complete disappearance of their countries' tradition, culture and progress and to the establishment of an Islamic rule across the entire continent.
Published: 09.09.15, 10:54 / Israel Opinion


Like everyone, I have also been watching the refugee "invasion" of Europe in the past few days. And an examination of the European Union's plan for taking them in has finally convinced me that the Europeans still know nothing about what is happening in the Middle East – and definitely not about the danger they are facing.


The European leaders, led by the leaders of Germany and France, didn't understand anything about 40 years ago, when they opened their gates to laborers from Turkey and the Maghreb countries. Now they are repeating the same mistake – and this time to a much larger extent.


Whether out of innocence or out of foolishness, the Europeans are failing to realize that they are singlehandedly creating fundamental changes in their populations, which will lead in the coming years to the complete disappearance of the tradition, culture and progress of their countries. In other words, in the not so distant future we will witness the end of "classic Europe" and the establishment of an Islamic rule across the entire continent.

Refugees in Munich, Germany. 'The refugees, who are mostly Muslims, have turned Germany into a territory in which they will set the tone and become the real rulers' (Photo: AFP)


This may sound apocalyptic. However, it's close to becoming a fact. Germany, which is willing to take in 800,000 to 1 million refugees every year, is incapable of turning them into full-fledged citizens. On the contrary: The refugees, who are mostly Muslims, have turned Germany into a territory in which they will set the tone and turn into the real rulers.

Just like Germany failed in its efforts to take in hundreds of thousands of Turkish work migrants – who have so far preserved their language, their traditional customs, including vendetta and "honor killing," and who don’t even turn to civil courts to settle issues like murder but prefer their traditional courts – it definitely won't manage with the millions of Muslims it is willing to take in now. Not to mention France or Sweden, which are even less prepared.


The EU plan also details the number of refugees who are supposed to be taken in by Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Croatia. But this is just further proof of the misunderstanding of the continent's leaders: It's clear that not a single refugee will agree to settle in countries like Bulgaria and Romania, which are among the poorest in Europe, and it's not at all certain that countries like Poland and the Czech Republic will agree to take in the refugees.

It's also strange that Europe's leaders are unaware of the fact that the large majority of their public doesn’t even want the refugees. So in conclusion, it seems that Europe is once again ignoring the dangers it is facing and is failing to realize that this is the beginning of the end of the old continent.

A columnist on liberal paper, Haaretz, Benny Ziffer: "My family had a similar experience at another time. My father’s father was part of the wave of refugees fleeing Istanbul in the first decade of the 20th century when the Ottoman Empire collapsed, and he was welcomed with open arms by Austria. There, he hoped to build his life. And there he married and fathered my father. But soon the kindness with which he was welcomed was replaced by sick hatred, and they were lucky they had Turkey to flee back to. And so, with the New Year upon us, let us wish each other a little more logic and a little less compassion."

http://www.haaretz.com/misc/iphone-arti ... m-1.675832

Why I can’t feel pity for the Syrian refugees in Europe


‘Long live Viktor Orbán!’ I mumble under my breath, for fear of being lynched if I am suspected of racism and Islamophobia.
Syrian and Afghan refugees on and around a dinghy that deflated just before reaching Lesbos

By Benny Ziffer
Published 13:19 14.09.15
I must confess that, try as I might, I could not bring myself to pity the Syrian refugees who were seen streaming across the roads of Europe to Austria and Germany last week. Not even the photograph of the 3-year-old boy washed up on the shore in Bodrum, Turkey – after the boat in which his parents had hoped to reach Greece sank – made a difference. Why can’t I feel empathy with the suffering, like everyone else?

I’ve no doubt I have lost the ability for compassion as a direct result of the French education I received. Was it the philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau who said that compassion is an extension of our egotism? I recall “Is compassion moral?” being one of the most common questions on the French matriculation exam in philosophy. The student is expected to answer that compassion is largely no more than the instinct for convenience, that it frequently has no connection to morality, and that rational people must avoid the pitfall of their convenience instinct.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel
German Chancellor Angela Merkel / Photo by Eran Wolkowski
“You would speak differently if the toddler who drowned was your son or grandson,” people will say, angrily. Those are the people who believe that compassion is obvious in a situation like the one that has emerged before our very eyes, with thousands of people fleeing for their lives from the Middle East to Europe. And it is exactly this argument that closes me off even more from compassion, because that’s an argument which disguises itself as logical but is entirely based on the egotistical instinct.

Moreover, the shock aroused by the photograph of the drowned boy also proved how capricious pity is; what about the thousands of refugees from Africa whose boats capsized in the Mediterranean and whose bodies were pulled from the sea on the shores of Spain and Italy? Why don’t they engender such empathy?

This capriciousness scares me because, on the one hand, we hear endlessly about the discomfiture of Europeans in light of the migration of the poor of the world in their direction. And on the other, we see Germany’s chancellor making a gesture of grandiose generosity – that her country will shelter thousands of refugees from Syria. And we see Germans applauding as the convoys of refugees enter Frankfurt. Where is the logic?

Readers will forgive me if I confess that in this world, in which people have lost logic and wisdom, I have no choice but to rely on those currently deemed the most evil members of the human race. First and foremost among them is Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, who didn’t fall prey to the fashion of pity and declared, in no uncertain terms, that the convoys fleeing from the Middle East are unwelcome in his country.

It is absolutely clear to me that the Hungarian prime minister is nationalist and right wing, and thumbs his nose at what is being said about him and his country. As opposed to Germany, which is more concerned about its image than anything else, he doesn’t care when people say his cynical and compassionless stand on the refugees – he also claims they are only pretending to be refugees – shows his country in an inhumane light. To my mind, this should be appreciated, since he is revealed as a person who understands the extent of the damage wrought in this world by postmodern illusions, which have accustomed us to deny the essence and relate only to image and the way things look.

Orbán’s logic is that Europe has amassed bitter experience with the Muslim population multiplying there and taking advantage of Western tolerance to undermine the foundations of liberalism and the assurance of Westerners of the rightness of their path. Therefore, one would have to be crazy to put a healthy head into this sickbed and accept more Muslims, who will continue to subvert Europe from within.

Does this mean Orban is racist and Islamophobic? Or our prime minister, who declared that Israel wouldn’t take in Syrian refugees? My answer to this comes straight from the words of the renowned French writer Michel Houellebecq, who for more than a decade has been waging a literary and intellectual crusade against Islam. When he was sued at the time for racism and Islamophobia, he argued that a person who defends his cultural values against those who threaten them cannot be called racist. He said he had no problem with migrants from Arab countries who wholeheartedly adopt French values. His problem is that many of these people, instead of adopting the values of their host continent, barricade themselves in values that contradict the essence of Europe.

“Long live Houellebecq, long live Viktor Orbán!” I mumble under my breath, for fear of being lynched if I am suspected of racism and Islamophobia. As for the masses of Syrians and others now being welcomed with cheers at Germany’s train stations, I hope they don’t fall prey to the compassion lavished on them.

My family had a similar experience at another time. My father’s father was part of the wave of refugees fleeing Istanbul in the first decade of the 20th century when the Ottoman Empire collapsed, and he was welcomed with open arms by Austria. There, he hoped to build his life. And there he married and fathered my father. But soon the kindness with which he was welcomed was replaced by sick hatred, and they were lucky they had Turkey to flee back to. And so, with the New Year upon us, let us wish each other a little more logic and a little less compassion.

[Frollein]

Seeing how Merkel has declared that the safety of Israel (and by extension, that of Jews in Germany, one would think) is part of Germany's reason of state, she now has created the interesting situation of taking in huge numbers of unregistered Moslems, among them certainly any number of IS operatives, in the name of "our historical responsibility", humanitarianism, and rainbows. I wonder how she intends to honor both commitments without anyone getting hurt.

I also hope that Jewish sympathy for Pegida extends to more than warm feelings.

[noir]

Frollein, it's still the after shock of WW2. Germany feels oblige to be holier than thou. By watching the Greeting and welcoming scenes on Munich train stations it seems she's in tune with the major public opinion of the Germans. At least the liberal and the middle class. Amazing historical event. In the end the legacy of WW2 will destroy Germany for good.

[Political Interest]

Frollein, it's still the after shock of WW2. Germany feels oblige to be holier than thou. By watching the Greeting and welcoming scenes on Munich train stations it seems she's in tune with the major public opinion of the Germans. At least the liberal and the middle class. Amazing historical event. In the end the legacy of WW2 will destroy Germany for good.

Indeed, Germany needs to be careful not to let its war guilt cause it to do itself in.

I hope that the Germans come to their senses and lose that guilt. That was seventy years ago, the world has changed and people have moved on.

[Frollein]

It's difficult to judge the public opinion, seeing how the whole press is echoing each other, as well as the government's "preferred opinion". The impression I get is that people (except for the few genuinely naive and the photograph-hungry claqueurs) are very much against thousands of foreigners entering. They see not only the money it will cost and the social upheaval it will bring, but they also read articles such as this:

A train from Munich to Berlin missed a third of its "refugees" at its arrival - about 180 people; they had simply pulled the emergency brakes and jumped off the train somewhere in Saxony and Saxony-Anhalt. Police assumes they didn't want to be registered. Weelll... why in the world do people avoid registration?

Someone in the comments section of the article pointed out that the Red Army Faction managed to terrorize Germany with only 80 people. Now we have hundreds of Muslim illegals going undercover as soon as they enter Germany and nobody in our government is addressing this security nightmare! They don't even mention it!

You can just wait for the first terrorist attack here! It's only a matter of time.

[skinster]

I've read that two-thirds of Germans support the refugees and migrant workers.

in the name of "our historical responsibility", humanitarianism, and rainbows.

Yerp, and absolutely nothing to do with the ever-declining German population. These people who settle in German could be considered your wirtschaftswunder, [*excised*]. You should be grateful, instead of being such a massive sour-puss. Or at the very least, accepting of the reality of your country now.

Otherwise, maybe writing some letters to your local MP or equivalent of that might help you direct your anger in the correct place.

Also, Israel criticizing any country for anything =

[Frollein]

I've read that two-thirds of Germans support the refugees and migrant workers.

And I've read that Merkel has 80% support. She's almost as beloved as Honecker.

Yerp, and absolutely nothing to do with the ever-declining German population. These people who settle in German could be considered your wirtschaftswunder.

Yes, third world analphabets had built up Germany after the war, too. So it's exactly what we need now. If you want to know what kind of business these types prefer, google Lebanese gangs in Bremen.

Otherwise, maybe writing some letters to your local MP or equivalent of that might help you direct your anger in the correct place.

Since you have no idea what kind of political activism I engage in outside of PoFo, I'd suggest you keep your advice to yourself.

[skinster]

What kind of activism are you involved in, [*excised*]?

Maybe you should accept that you're in the minority of what your countrywomen and men want and see if you can ignore or embrace that which you hate.

[Atlantis]

I hope that the Germans come to their senses and lose that guilt.

We are trying hard, but you guys won't give us a chance.

Whatever the Germans are up to, it must be evil.

In the end the legacy of WW2 will destroy Germany for good.

If it won't kill us, it will make us stronger.

Honestly, all these misinformed platitudes about Germany, it makes me sick to the stomach. I know its no point telling you about the facts, it would be like 'casting pearls before the swine.'

PS: For amateurs of conspiracy: the secrete plan is to increase the percentage of Muslims until we won't have to fund Israel any longer.

[Frollein]

What kind of activism are you involved in, [*excised*]?

Nothing illegal and nothing that is in any way your business.

[skinster]

I wasn't suggesting anything illegal. Sharing is caring, Fro.

[Decky]

Since you have no idea what kind of political activism I engage in outside of PoFo, I'd suggest you keep your advice to yourself.

Marching around in a brown shirt eh?

[skinster]

"Complaining on the internets along with other fascists because most people ignore us in real life"

[Frollein]

What a meaningless term. Leftists call everyone they don't agree with "fascist". I'd expect people on a political forum to be a bit more educated.

[Frollein]

By watching the Greeting and welcoming scenes on Munich train stations it seems she's in tune with the major public opinion of the Germans. At least the liberal and the middle class.

Found something:

Every second German (49 percent) is afraid of an islamisation of the Federal Republic. According to a survey by the polling institute INSA on behalf of the Protestant news agency idea fear in the new Länder (55 percent) is more pronounced than in the West (48 percent).

There are also differences in view of the party affiliation of the respondents. Especially voters of the Alternative for Germany (AFD, 94 percent) and the FDP (68 percent) are watching the growing importance of Islam in Germany, a result of the asylum crisis, with growing concern, followed by CDU (45 percent), SPD (42 percent), the Left Party (39 percent) and the Greens (35 percent). More than half of non-voters (56 percent) share this view.

A majority of 64 percent, on the other hand, rejected a preferential acceptance of Christian asylum seekers. Privileging Christians was met with the biggest refusal by voters of the Greens: 81 percent voted against it, followed by the Left Party (72 percent), SPD (65 percent) and CDU (61 percent). Only 46% of FDP voters were against it, in the AfD, only 30 percent.

[noir]

PS: For amateurs of conspiracy: the secrete plan is to increase the percentage of Muslims until we won't have to fund Israel any longer.

Is it that important for you? You may get here a point. The burden before the Jews is that great that only Arabization of Germany will give you a clean break from the past. It's huge gumble. For hundred years the Jews in the middle east struggling with demography, do Germans believe they are better? The troubled relation with Jews blurred the mind of the Germans? Very confusing.


The Germans has always hidden sympathy towards the Arabs and their stand against the Jews, long before that Hitler wished Islam for Germania

Wikipedia

Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition and directed Himmler to initiate Muslim SS Divisions as a matter of policy. According to Nazi-era Minister of Armaments and War Production Albert Speer, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[60] According to Speer, when discussing with Hitler events which might have occurred had Islam absorbed Europe:

"Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan

“Had Charles Martel not been victorious,” Hitler told his inner crowd in August 1942, “then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world.” Hitler told Albert Speer that Islam is “perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament.” If the Muslims had won in Tours, the whole of Europe would have become Muslim in the 8th century and “the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of [Europe]. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.”

Today, Germany, like the rest of Western Europe, is rapidly turning Islamic. In addition to the many Muslim immigrants, 4,000 Germans convert to Islam each year. As always the converts are among the most radical. Last September, Fritz Gelowicz and Daniel Schneider, two young German converts to Islam, were arrested as they were preparing to bomb Frankfurt International Airport. Hitler would have been proud of them. And he would have loathed the so-called “racists” who worry about their country losing its national identity.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2636

[noir]

I also hope that Jewish sympathy for Pegida extends to more than warm feelings.

Not all the Jews support Pegida. Some loony voices wish Europe Islamization as ultimate and finale pay out.

Basically the Zionist official propaganda is to strain that the jihadists are the same on both places, since many European refuse to accept it, this maverick voice raised another voice What is the interest of the Jews to make Europe safe while they cheering its enemies? That is the justice of roosting chickens.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 73,00.html

'Islamization of Europe a good thing'


Rabbi Baruch Efrati believes Jews should 'rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.' He praises Islam for promoting modesty, respect for God
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 11.11.12, 13:52 / Israel Jewish Scene


As concerns grow over the increasing number of Muslims in Europe, it appears not everyone is bothered by the issue, including an Israeli rabbi who even welcomes the phenomenon.

Rabbi Baruch Efrati, a yeshiva head and community rabbi in the West Bank settlement of Efrat, believes that the Islamization of Europe is actually a good thing.


"With the help of God, the gentiles there will adopt a healthier life with a lot of modesty and integrity, and not like the hypocritical Christianity which appears pure but is fundamentally corrupt," he explained.

Rabbi Efrati was asked to discuss the issue by an oriental studies student, who inquired on Judaism's stand toward the process Europe has been going through in recent years.

Following the election of a hijab-wearing Muslim woman as the mayor of the Bosnian city of Visoko for the first time in continent's history, the student asked the rabbi on the Kipa website: "How do we fight the Islamization of Europe and return it to the hands of Christians and moderates?"

Efrati wrote in response that the Islamization of Europe was better than a Christian Europe for ethical and theological reasons – as a punishment against Christians for persecuting the Jews and the fact that Christianity, as opposed to Islam, is considered "idolatry" from a halachic point of view.

"Jews should rejoice at the fact that Christian Europe is losing its identity as a punishment for what it did to us for the hundreds of years were in exile there," the rabbi explained as the ethical reason for favoring Muslims, quoting shocking descriptions from the Rishonim literature (written by leading rabbis who lived during the 11th to 15th centuries) about pogroms and mass murders committed by Christians against Jews.

"We will never forgive Europe's Christians for slaughtering millions of our children, women and elderly… Not just in the recent Holocaust, but throughout the generations, in a consistent manner which characterizes all factions of hypocritical Christianity…

"A now, Europe is losing its identity in favor of another people and another religion, and there will be no remnants and survivors from the impurity of Christianity, which shed a lot of blood it won't be able to atone for."

'Islam a relatively honest religion'
The theological reason, according to Rabbi Efrati, is that Christianity – which he sees as idolatry – has a tendency to "destroy normal life and abstain from it on the one hand, while losing modesty on the other hand," as it "ranges between radical monasticism to radical Western licentiousness."

Islam, the rabbi added, is "a religion which misjudges its prophets but is relatively honest. It educates a bit more for a stable life of marriage and creation, where there is certain modesty and respect for God."


Efrati ruled, therefore, that "even if we are in a major war with the region's Arabs over the Land of Israel, Islam is still much better as a gentile culture than Christianity."

He added, however, that Jews must pray that the Islamization of most of Europe will not harm the people of Israel.

[Atlantis]

Is it that important for you?

It's important to me that my tax money doesn't go into funding a racist state.

But with your avatar, you probably wouldn't understand why anybody would want to oppose fascism.

[noir]

And these "refugees" are not fascists? Current Islam is Fascism. They will turn Germany much sooner to Fascism. Inefficient Fascism, with some lack of technological prowess, unlike the home grown Nazism you may familiar with, but still Fascism. As Rei wrote on another thread "many of them are actually the same Islamic fundamentalists that the War on Terror was being waged against."


During the Gaza war, an anti Israeli demo in Berlin with chants that reminiscent whermachat chant during Warsaw ghetto crush.

"Jude, Jude, feiges Schwein, komm heraus und kämpf allein" - ("Jew, Jew, you coward pig, get out and fight on your own").





Neo Nazi on the demo

On min 00.47

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And in Paris….
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[noir]

ISIS Flag Among Refugees in Germany Fighting the Police

is it photoshop or real?