- 27 Sep 2010 00:45
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Sorry, something went wrong. I tried to delete my post, but somehow, the original hung in there. My post was in error because it was based on a flawed concept. I'll try to explain it here.
I’m not really sure where you are coming from here. As for the Elites, they aren’t a problem in Anarchism because they can’t exist in an Anarchism. That’s why civilization has to destroy Anarchism. Most folks have it backward. They think of Anarchism destroying civilization, it’s the other way around. Civilization destroys Anarchisms.
The creation of the state isn’t inevitable as long as you are dealing with feral man. Civilization domesticates man. Once domesticated, they prefer civilization, that’s what they were trained for. Domesticated animals want their master, so if you have domesticated men, yeah, the state is pretty much inevitable. That’s what dooms the biosphere.
I suspect that somewhere in the agricultural process, some humans became domesticated. Civilization began with agricultural because it allowed for a surplus to create a warrior caste. It demanded that people stay in one place and till the soil. Regimentation and slavery, result domesticated man.
In the Americas, in the countries with a large amount of either indigenous peoples or mixed peoples, you had civilization before the Europeans arrived. These people were already domesticated, all they had to do was change masters. The uncivilized Amerindians weren’t domesticated, so they were exterminated. Of course, nobody wants to admit this, but if you go the countries were the Amerindians weren’t civilized, you don’t find many Amerindians or mixed Amerindians in the population. They weren’t slaughtered, they just committed suicide.
People like the Hadza or the Bushmen survive because they live were civilized men don’t want to live. That was true of the Polar Inuit for a long period of time. This is how a few hunter gatherer social orders survived. These are feral man. The original Humans.
Anarchism won’t work with domesticated Humans. They talk freedom but really want slavery. First you have to put humans through the wilding process to convert them back to feral men.
Once you have feral man, the rest is automatic. Feral men don’t want civilization. A wolf doesn’t want to be domesticated. A domesticated dog doesn’t want to be feral.
Anarchism won’t save the biosphere. Civilized men aren’t going to adopt Anarchism. Humans will have to organize to destroy civilization. Not likely but possible. Then they will have to find a wilding process or a third way. Not likely, but possible. Most likely, Humans will go extinct when Civilization self destructs in this century.
The only thing that has a reasonable likelihood of saving Humanity is for the machine to go sentient and decide to preserve the Human race. I can’t think of a reason for this, but I suppose anything is possible. Perhaps reasonable likelihood is stretching it a bit.
In my previous discussion of Anarchism, I was discussing Anarchism with feral Man. The only problem was, I don’t realize it until I got your reply. Then I realized that my arguments didn’t apply to domesticated man.
Anarcho-primitivism deals with this. I arrived at my conclusions independently but their beliefs are similar as far as the disease. Where we differ is on the cure.
Melodramatic wrote:Does all of this not make the creation of the state inevitable? are the elite not just a group serving its self interest?
if a group can attack an individual due to any reason, how will you prevent coercion?
Sorry, something went wrong. I tried to delete my post, but somehow, the original hung in there. My post was in error because it was based on a flawed concept. I'll try to explain it here.
I’m not really sure where you are coming from here. As for the Elites, they aren’t a problem in Anarchism because they can’t exist in an Anarchism. That’s why civilization has to destroy Anarchism. Most folks have it backward. They think of Anarchism destroying civilization, it’s the other way around. Civilization destroys Anarchisms.
The creation of the state isn’t inevitable as long as you are dealing with feral man. Civilization domesticates man. Once domesticated, they prefer civilization, that’s what they were trained for. Domesticated animals want their master, so if you have domesticated men, yeah, the state is pretty much inevitable. That’s what dooms the biosphere.
I suspect that somewhere in the agricultural process, some humans became domesticated. Civilization began with agricultural because it allowed for a surplus to create a warrior caste. It demanded that people stay in one place and till the soil. Regimentation and slavery, result domesticated man.
In the Americas, in the countries with a large amount of either indigenous peoples or mixed peoples, you had civilization before the Europeans arrived. These people were already domesticated, all they had to do was change masters. The uncivilized Amerindians weren’t domesticated, so they were exterminated. Of course, nobody wants to admit this, but if you go the countries were the Amerindians weren’t civilized, you don’t find many Amerindians or mixed Amerindians in the population. They weren’t slaughtered, they just committed suicide.
People like the Hadza or the Bushmen survive because they live were civilized men don’t want to live. That was true of the Polar Inuit for a long period of time. This is how a few hunter gatherer social orders survived. These are feral man. The original Humans.
Anarchism won’t work with domesticated Humans. They talk freedom but really want slavery. First you have to put humans through the wilding process to convert them back to feral men.
Once you have feral man, the rest is automatic. Feral men don’t want civilization. A wolf doesn’t want to be domesticated. A domesticated dog doesn’t want to be feral.
Anarchism won’t save the biosphere. Civilized men aren’t going to adopt Anarchism. Humans will have to organize to destroy civilization. Not likely but possible. Then they will have to find a wilding process or a third way. Not likely, but possible. Most likely, Humans will go extinct when Civilization self destructs in this century.
The only thing that has a reasonable likelihood of saving Humanity is for the machine to go sentient and decide to preserve the Human race. I can’t think of a reason for this, but I suppose anything is possible. Perhaps reasonable likelihood is stretching it a bit.
In my previous discussion of Anarchism, I was discussing Anarchism with feral Man. The only problem was, I don’t realize it until I got your reply. Then I realized that my arguments didn’t apply to domesticated man.
Anarcho-primitivism deals with this. I arrived at my conclusions independently but their beliefs are similar as far as the disease. Where we differ is on the cure.
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“As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.” A. Einstein.