[Winfried Sobottka]

There is no other word around the world that is as much defamed and misinterpreted than the word ANARCHY.

Although or because Anarchy is that way of social/political acting that is based in our genoms - Anarchy is the natural way of human life in communities.

You can say it very short: "What do you don´t want that others do to You, don´t do to others, but what You want that others do to You, do to others!"

True Anarchists have only one law that they think for unchangeable:

"Mankind has to do what the rigtheous and reasonable among the women think is right after the dispute of arguments, free and open for all, has come to an end, in small affairs, in large affairs, in all affairs."

That law is the formula of optimizing human thinking, human intelligence is not constructed as individual intelligence.

Using that law mankind will solve all problems best way.

That is Anarchy as You - if being able to read German language - will find out under Google using SOBOTTKA ANARCHIE.

Winfried Sobottka, a speaker of Anarchists in Austria and FRG which build together our German Motherland.

[bayano]

There are lots of words worse defamed: black; communism; girl; gay.

What I love is the persistent misconception that anarchism is anti-organization by liberal and conservative politics junkies who never want to cease up on the ignorance juice.

[Suska]

mmmmmmmm ignoraaance juuuice

[foilist13]

Anarchy has been taken by a thousand different counter cultures and turned into a stylized fantasy about sex drugs and rock n roll.

You need to teach people about anarchy so that they understand and see past their prejudice

[Winfried Sobottka]

No one here to give any factual words? Out of brain?

[Dr House]

Anarchy has been taken by a thousand different counter cultures and turned into a stylized fantasy about sex drugs and rock n roll.

You need to teach people about anarchy so that they understand and see past their prejudice

I personally know full well what anarchy is, and I consider it far from the best ideology around. most organized anarchist ideologies are offshoots of quasi-Marxist socialism, while anarcho-capitalism would pretty much be the industrial world's version of a feudal dictatorship.

[Winfried Sobottka]

I personally know full well what anarchy is, and I consider it far from the best ideology around. most organized anarchist ideologies are offshoots of quasi-Marxist socialism, while anarcho-capitalism would pretty much be the industrial world's version of a feudal dictatorship.

If You would know anything about Anarchy You wouldn´t write nonsense like that: You are bringing defamings and lies, nothing else. Capitalism and Anarchy, for instance, do not match. Anarchy means following the true rules of our nature, not dogma. I had given an explaining in my start-entry, why do You not refer to that what I had written?

[ingliz]

Anarchy cannot work and those anarchies that could perhaps work are not anarchies, anarcho-communism comes to mind. Anarchic communities within a sympathetic state pose no problems but a nonstate suddenly appearing full grown out of the capitalist state is a utopian fantasy and any discussion of that impossibility is pointless and silly, a waste of words. Any pseudo-anarchy that arose through a crisis of capitalism could only be a very short brutal transition to a totalitarian dictatorship

[pikachu]

What I love is the persistent misconception that anarchism is anti-organization

Anarchism is anti-organization.

The state is the most basic and fundamental unit of social organization upon which others can be built. Anarchy is the negation of statehood and therefore the negation of even the most basic principles of human organization. True anarchy cannot be upheld under present conditions.

[Abood]

Lol. That's like saying, "So and so hates Qatz, therefore, so and so hates gays."

What logic you have there, pika.

[pikachu]

great lack of logic you have there, Abood.

Anarchism never meant the denial of a particular state, it represents denial of all states and therefore the end of social organization.

[Abood]

States aren't the only organizations, duh.

Anarchism isn't opposed to all governments. It's opposed to monopolistic governments only, i.e. states.

[Suska]

In my view Anarchy is simply a refusal to make government a habit

[HoniSoit]

The state is the most basic and fundamental unit of social organization upon which others can be built.

State is certainly not 'the most basic and fundamental unit of social organization'. Workplace and municipality, for example, are far more basic than the State as units of social organisation. And many anarchists would like to see a society based on a federation of such basic units of social organisation.

[pikachu]

States aren't the only organizations, duh.

goddamnit abood will you ever smarten up and at least start reading what people say before inserting your opinions?

Workplace and municipality, for example, are far more basic than the State as units of social organisation.

What? Complete nonsense. Whatever laws of the workplace you have, they are always subordinated to federal laws. Your workplace cannot make laws which contradict federal laws for the simple reason that it doesn't have any means to enforce them. Your workplace (probably part of a corporation or such) exists at the mercy of the state and serves its interests.
It cannot exists in its present form without government protection. If, for one reason or another, your company is forced to take upon itself the duties of territorial defense, of supreme executive, legislative, and judiciary powers - it is no longer a corporation, by definition it becomes a state.

[HoniSoit]

What? Complete nonsense.

I think you might misunderstood me. My point was that it was wrong to suggest because anarchists are anti-state, and state is 'the most basic and fundamental unit of social organization', anarchists are thus anti-organisation. I was pointing out that while anarchists were for the most part opposed to the state, they instead support other forms of social organisation such as those based on workplace and municipality.

[pikachu]

I think I got you right, HoniSoit, and my point was that there is no (and cannot be) such social organization based on "workplaces" or "municipalities", but without states.

Maybe in some parallel universe. Not here.

Can you describe to me what a social organization based around "workplaces" would be like, in such a way that it would not be a state OR be part of a state? Who makes laws? Who enforces laws? Who decides whether the laws are implemented correctly? Who ensures unity? Justice? Domestic tranquility? Who provides for the common defense and promotes the general welfare?

And I'm expecting a coherent answer, not something like "the people" Nooo, monkeys.

Just for reference, a state in an organization which has a monopoly on the use of violence over a certain territory.

[Dr House]

If You would know anything about Anarchy You wouldn´t write nonsense like that: You are bringing defamings and lies, nothing else.

how is what I wrote nonsense, exactly?

Capitalism and Anarchy, for instance, do not match.

Indeed they don't.

Anarchy means following the true rules of our nature, not dogma. I had given an explaining in my start-entry, why do You not refer to that what I had written? [/quote]

It was little more than idealistic rhetoric.

[ingliz]

And many anarchists would like to see a society based on a federation of such basic units of social organisation.

But is that anarchy? These federated units of social organisation will, if they are not to revert to a primitivist arcadia require integrated transport infrastructure (Air traffic control, rail network, standardised road signs, etc), standard units of measurement (time, length, weight, even screw threads etc), a coordinated standard electricity grid (amperage, voltage, dumps and shunt boards, etc), etc. etc. etc. etc.........Please explain how an industrialised society can work at all without a hierarchical system of control - A state apparatus.

[Anor]

lets start with the facts shall we?

origin of Anarchy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

where :

Anarchy (from Greek: αναρχία anarchía, "without ruler") may refer to any of the following:

* "Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder."[1]
* "A theoretical social state in which there is no governing person or body of persons, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."[2]
* "Absence or non-recognition of authority and order in any given sphere."[3]
* Without government or law

Now the meaning of the word was interpreted in many political systems and ideas , according to that date circumstances and conditions.

The idea of Anarchy was first applied in Ancient Greece in 5th b.C age at ancient Athena. It was applied as an open public Democracy where all citizens of the city had the same value of oppinion and the same chances to get elected in a power position.

That was the good part. The bad part was that this system lasted only for less than 100 years (till Sparta and Pelloponisians began the civil war between the Greek race).

Anarchy is the best way to help a person develop personality and have the ability to expand his individual knowledge since he needs to know more about himself in order to handle/liberate and restrain his actions/wishes with the common good as a rule. That is why at that age ,arts, philosophy and sciences were at their peak.

The downside is that as a powerfull individual you wont be able to level down to a team level and work with others smoothly to do anything. On top of this humans always have the instinct of "personal property and power"... to be the strongest in other words.. the leader of others.

Eventualy someone will violate someone else's ability to preserve Anarchy , and will try to exploit it as a weakness.

Anarchy , although is the perfect idea for a human to live, is not applicable in a world of billions , who all want something better in their life, ... sometimes even if they have to step on other persons bodies.

Anor