CA-SLD Economic Conciliation Talks (IMPORTANT!)

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#1873373

By Cheesecake_Marmalade - 15 Apr 2009 23:04

- 15 Apr 2009 23:04 #1873373

You have no deviation from the neoliberal agenda. You praise the market as if it were your own little false idol.

In short, vanilla.

"when it's my time to go, I wait for God wit the fo-fo." -Nas

#1873374

By Dave - 15 Apr 2009 23:04

- 15 Apr 2009 23:04 #1873374

Sephardi wrote:

Vanilla?

You constantly reference Ph.D. economists (though not any specific ones) and belong to a party which espouses largely neoliberal economics. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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Everything you believe is wrong. Yes, you!

Boom. You just got Dave'd. -Bramlow

#1873375

By Cheesecake_Marmalade - 15 Apr 2009 23:05

- 15 Apr 2009 23:05 #1873375

You constantly reference Ph.D. economists (though not any specific ones) and belong to a party which espouses largely neoliberal economics. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

You quoted the wrong person.

"when it's my time to go, I wait for God wit the fo-fo." -Nas

#1873534

By Karl_Bonner_1982 - 16 Apr 2009 00:47

- 16 Apr 2009 00:47 #1873534

Dave wrote:Why are you conflating Sephardi with me? I lead the PNL, which is a producerist party. Sephardi is a vanilla neoliberal. Dr. House, whose policies you seem to love, has a slightly more egalitarian version of my economics.

Forgive my boner - err, blunder, Dave. :eek:

Einstein's Law of Political Relativity - All ideological reference frames are relative.

#1873893

By Demosthenes - 16 Apr 2009 03:24

- 16 Apr 2009 03:24 #1873893

I only have one thing to say to this rancid band of fascist thugs:

Gnote is not just the fucking man, he's the fucking SUPERMAN! :muha1:

Don't let SLD break your heart like it did mine 'Note! Fight the power! :cheers:

Alternatively: "Power to the People!"

(Now, back to your regularly scheduled arse fucking of the people)
:borg:

"When do you ask yourself, 'Maybe everyone else isn't wrong for using the definitions of words; maybe I'm wrong for making up new definitions of words and then using them as crude slurs' -TiG

#1873946

By Dr House - 16 Apr 2009 03:57

- 16 Apr 2009 03:57 #1873946

Demosthenes wrote:Gnote is not just the fucking man, he's the fucking SUPERMAN!

Making unreasonable and economically impossible demands from a center-right coalition government is not being the man.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." -F.A. Hayek

#1873947

By Gnote - 16 Apr 2009 03:58

- 16 Apr 2009 03:58 #1873947

What centre-right coalition government?

"The only contestant who can confidently enter the lists is the man who has seen his own blood, who has felt his teeth rattle beneath his opponent’s fist ... one who, as often as he falls, rises again with greater defiance than ever." - Seneca

#1873950

By Donna - 16 Apr 2009 03:59

- 16 Apr 2009 03:59 #1873950

A left wing government is impossible at this moment, Gnote.

BIDEN 2020

#1873951

By Gnote - 16 Apr 2009 03:59

- 16 Apr 2009 03:59 #1873951

Dr House is talking like some sort of coalition exists between the centre and the right.

Clearly that is not the case, either.

"The only contestant who can confidently enter the lists is the man who has seen his own blood, who has felt his teeth rattle beneath his opponent’s fist ... one who, as often as he falls, rises again with greater defiance than ever." - Seneca

#1873957

By Demosthenes - 16 Apr 2009 04:04

- 16 Apr 2009 04:04 #1873957

Dr. House is also talking like his opinion is universal. This is quite highly false.

Now he is not just SUPERMAN, but a fucking Demi-Gawd!

"When do you ask yourself, 'Maybe everyone else isn't wrong for using the definitions of words; maybe I'm wrong for making up new definitions of words and then using them as crude slurs' -TiG

#1873958

By Cheesecake_Marmalade - 16 Apr 2009 04:05

- 16 Apr 2009 04:05 #1873958

Please Demo, just gtfo of this thread. You're not a part of the SLD so you have no place in these talks except trying to inflame Gnote.

"when it's my time to go, I wait for God wit the fo-fo." -Nas

#1873966

By Demosthenes - 16 Apr 2009 04:10

- 16 Apr 2009 04:10 #1873966

Cheesecake_Marmalade wrote:Please Demo, just gtfo of this thread. You're not a part of the SLD so you have no place in these talks except trying to inflame Gnote.

Oh whatever, I think in your "trailing Falx" moments last night you proved no thread is closed to anyone.

We can come and go as we please and say what we want while we're here.

Careful, I'll elevate Gnote to outright Diety next...

"When do you ask yourself, 'Maybe everyone else isn't wrong for using the definitions of words; maybe I'm wrong for making up new definitions of words and then using them as crude slurs' -TiG

#1873969

By Cheesecake_Marmalade - 16 Apr 2009 04:11

- 16 Apr 2009 04:11 #1873969

"when it's my time to go, I wait for God wit the fo-fo." -Nas

#1873976

By Donna - 16 Apr 2009 04:14

- 16 Apr 2009 04:14 #1873976

Dr House is talking like some sort of coalition exists between the centre and the right.

Clearly that is not the case, either.

'Centre-right' in the sense that only SLD and PUC-L would make up the centre-left of the most likely government.

BIDEN 2020

#1874004

By Dr House - 16 Apr 2009 04:26

- 16 Apr 2009 04:26 #1874004

Demosthenes wrote:Dr. House is also talking like his opinion is universal.

my opinion about what? That Gnote's proposal was economically impossible?

It was. Not even Scandinavian governments harvest enough tax revenue to pay for his original proposal, and he should have expected nothing lesss as he's negotiating with several right-wing parties.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." -F.A. Hayek

#1874009

By Karl_Bonner_1982 - 16 Apr 2009 04:27

- 16 Apr 2009 04:27 #1874009

I'm with House on this one. No "social democratic" country has ever proposed anything nearly as radical as Gnote did.

And I don't actually want to go as far as Scandinavia by any means. I'd get our welfare state up to, and our Gini down to, say, Canadian or British levels but that's as far as I go. It's the extreme levels of inequality and institutionalized poverty in the United States post-Reaganomics that upset me so much.

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Einstein's Law of Political Relativity - All ideological reference frames are relative.

#1874012

By Gnote - 16 Apr 2009 04:28

- 16 Apr 2009 04:28 #1874012

Dr House, KB,

When you barter on a purchase, do you start with the absolute HIGHEST amount you're willing to pay? You need a lesson in negotiation.

By starting with such an astronomical GIM proposal, I was able to get support for a lower GIM that likely would never had any support if I'd started with that suggestion.

"The only contestant who can confidently enter the lists is the man who has seen his own blood, who has felt his teeth rattle beneath his opponent’s fist ... one who, as often as he falls, rises again with greater defiance than ever." - Seneca

#1874022

By Dr House - 16 Apr 2009 04:31

- 16 Apr 2009 04:31 #1874022

Gnote wrote:By starting with such an astronomical GIM proposal, I was able to get support for a lower GIM that likely would never had any support if I'd started with that suggestion.

It still has no support from me. Any social provisioning must have work requirements. And I can almost guarantee the CA and PUC leaders will back me up on that one.

And Bonner, Reagan didn't start us down the path of economic decline, he just didn't help.

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"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." -F.A. Hayek

#1874024

By Gnote - 16 Apr 2009 04:32

- 16 Apr 2009 04:32 #1874024

Dr House wrote:It still has no support from me.

Then take this up with your party leader.

"The only contestant who can confidently enter the lists is the man who has seen his own blood, who has felt his teeth rattle beneath his opponent’s fist ... one who, as often as he falls, rises again with greater defiance than ever." - Seneca

#1874036

By Karl_Bonner_1982 - 16 Apr 2009 04:36

- 16 Apr 2009 04:36 #1874036

I wasn't trying to negotiate inward from one end, I was trying to find the center and leave my opinions out of it. I wanted to see what positions were the best middle ground for the four parties; when people on the left started screaming I suggest nudging the platform a bit to the left.

Now, if I were on the left side of the SLD and was trying to make the welfare state as absolutely gigantic as possible, I would have negotiated from one side. But I'm no extremist, I definitely agree with the principles of the SLD the most but as I said before if it didn't exist I would be happy in the PUC also. And if we lose the CA we lose the government altogether. I'd rather get a government formed than let this game collapse into extinction because we can't learn to compromise. This is supposed to be for fun, everyone, remember that!

Einstein's Law of Political Relativity - All ideological reference frames are relative.

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