[Cheesecake_Marmalade]

My vote is always significant. It's not my problem that you don't understand the importance of a single vote.

No, you lost the argument and now you're changing tactics.

Congratulations, you now know what sour grapes taste like.

[HoniSoit]

Calm down, VForVendetta.

You not only ignored the formal rule regarding voting, you also ignored my post suggesting voting in the 'Voting Booth' in the same thread.

[InterestedInPolitics]

I haven't lost. I am just tired of debating. Time for bed. When are the next elections?

I didn't ignore posts, I just didn't read them. I can't read all the posts. I am calm. Just having fun with the parliamentary elections. Playing my part as a revolutionary communist. Playing my part as a politican fighting for his party, making a case so that the best interests of my party are represented.

[Fasces]

If my opinion counts, and it truthfully doesn't, just count his vote. It's just a game, and some of us here are forgetting that. There is no harm done by counting his vote, provided from this point forward election rules are the streamlined to prevent either a Kilgore, or VforVendetta, situation from arising.

[HoniSoit]

Fasces - Demo has asked Dan to make a ruling. Whatever Dan's ruling, it would be final and accepted.

[Fasces]

I understand that, hence the qualifier about it being opinion.

[Dan]

I'm sorry V, but the voting booth never recieved your vote, we can not count it.

Kilgore was counted only because he met four conditions: He had voted in the previous failed elections, his vote was posted publicly, he was away over the time the voting booth was open, and his vote was noted by proxy in the official voting booth.

While you meet condition 2 (maybe 1), you did not meet the other three (or two) conditions.

The real-life equivelent would you posting a pro-Communist sign on your lawn during an election and Kilgore sending in a write-in ballot.

When are the next elections?

Whenever the government that results loses a confidence vote, or whenever the constitution we will hopefully create says to.

If my opinion counts, and it truthfully doesn't, just count his vote. It's just a game, and some of us here are forgetting that. There is no harm done by counting his vote, provided from this point forward election rules are the streamlined to prevent either a Kilgore, or VforVendetta, situation from arising.

I was leaning towards that, but then I would have to count Einherjers as well, and likely Ethan's, and to be honest I have no idea how I'd count Einherjers.

[InterestedInPolitics]

Very well. I was just arguing my case. It's part of the game. Even if you are wrong, most of the time you argue that you are right and keep fighting for your interests.

[Demosthenes]

Ok...I wasn't going to get involved, and I really won't but a couple things:

1) Dan is right count Kilgore's vote. Period. If nothing else, he stated way in advance that he would do so and NO ONE had an objection at the time. I don't blame him for calling it case closed.

2) I don't like losing V's vote probably more than anyone here besides him...I am honestly 50/50 on it...well, in total honesty 51/49 that he should get it, but that's just because it's an SN vote.

A. V for Vendetta made a post in teh voting thread that I deleted to keep it clear of spam. THe mod logs have the action, but no one else can see them save admin...and maybe MB. There was no vote there, but a question about where to vote.
B. Honi expressly told him to post his vote in that thread and asked if V's post could be counted as an SN vote. I had no idea at the time how V was actually voting so I thought Honi was just playing around. This was around 4 pm today. Too late for me to pm V even if I thought Honi was serious.
C. Dan was MORE than fair throughout, even agreeing to a two day voting extention without much trouble. Had Dan ruled against this, this wouldn't even be an issue.

3) Ok...THere's more to the Ethan story, (In interest of total fairness) He was my recruit but I didn't realize he did not have the post count to vote. You'll note I quickly left a note when this happened stating that the vote shouldn't count because we had already ruled that those under 20 posts were ineligible simply so that someone wouldn't start making phantom accounts to ruin the system. (In my defense, I had fuly expected Ethan to post more often, and we exchanged quite a few Pms previously).

4) That crap with Einherjers is totally fucking bogus. I gave him a warning that his vote would not count, He ignored this and even posted a response to me saying [paraphrasing] "I Don't give a shit". Fuck him, no vote.

This post just to clarify the things some of you have not seen, and that Dan is not privy too.

[HoniSoit]

B. Honi expressly told him to post his vote in that thread and asked if V's post could be counted as an SN vote. I had no idea at the time how V was actually voting so I thought Honi was just playing around. This was around 4 pm today. Too late for me to pm V even if I thought Honi was serious.

I wasn't playing around. He did clearly indicate him voting for SN before he left, and I quoted his post in which he said he's voting for SN (probably because he thought it was OK to vote in that thread).

But I agree entirely with Dan's ruling.

No point for me to say anything now tho.

[Demosthenes]

Yeah...and I just finally saw the post in question...

eek...I hope I haven't cost my guys a vote...

Sorry.

It would help EXTREMELY in the future if users could exercize some posting disciplines in voting threads, and this is exactly why.

It would be nice if users didn't take it as a suggestion, but as a RULE.

There is no way for this sim to run smoothly except on our honor. If you want me to be honorable in modding, I need more user cooperation to make my, and the Clerk's job as easy as possible.

Thank you Dan, for all your work on this. I know it's a pain more than the users realize.

[HoniSoit]

No worries, Demo.

I also thought it was extremely unwise for him to vote before at least looking one post up where I told another user where to vote and gave the link.

And thanks for all the great work, Demo and Dan!

[ingliz]

I make a formal protest and ask that VfV vote is counted. He clearly showed his intention to vote and did vote only for his vote to be deleted by overzealous mods.

[Cheesecake_Marmalade]

only for his vote to be deleted by overzealous mods.

Yeah, that overzealous mod is a member of your party, so I hardly think you can suspect bias.

[ingliz]

I was not arguing bias

[Vanasalus]

Elections are completed and 4 so-called "mainstream" parties could gather barely 50% vote altogether.

I expected the resignation of all 4 leaders at the end of election as a result of their failure. But, no. They did not.

Instead, they started coalition negotiations as if nothing happened.

The electorate gave a clear message in this election: we are tired of old school politics enforced by those 4 party leadership.

It is now the duty of the members of those 4 parties to call their leadership to account.

If this does not happen and if the message of the electorate is not clear to deaf ears, the I ask for a new election to let electorate speak once again with a much louder voice.

[Cheesecake_Marmalade]

[Vanasalus]

^
Do not you think your leader should pay the political price for the failure?

That is how democracies work in civilized corners of the world.

Why should PoFo be an exception?

Grow a spine and do what you have to do.

[Falx]

I believe cheese thinks he is the leader of his party, and a few others to boot, or at least acts like he does.

[Cheesecake_Marmalade]

I think my party leader did splendidly. He advanced us from a marginal far right party to one of the largest parties in parliament.

I think the biggest failure was the structuring of the SLD. While in theory their politics are compatible with one another, they should have had some party discipline and split up in the same way that the PUC did, with the social democrats on one side and the democratic socialists on the other side. This came about, as you said, from lack of leadership, but I hardly think you can blame the current SLD leadership for the absence of Gnote, or even Gnote himself. No one had any real idea that this would blow up into what it did, so Gnote's absence is excusable.

Besides that, I think the makeup of the RoP is peculiar, and coming out of an autocratic government to a full parliamentary system is a tad bit peculiar, and some citizens are suspicious that the government will turn corrupt immediately. A tragic suspicion, but a suspicion nonetheless.

The only thing that I see as feasible is to proceed and attempt to do right for RoP.

EDIT: Falx, you accusing me of conceit is some lovely irony, since your party is built on nothing but your own vanity.