[Beren]

I don't pull a Maas on you, I don't say former slaves' descendants should be compensated in the US.

[Dave]

I don't push a Maas on you, I don't say former slaves' descendants should be compensated in the US.

Fair enough. Then you understand why I consider Le Rouge's attitudes traitorous or worse.

[Beren]

La Rouge just has anti-colonialist and anti-bourgeois attitudes.

[Dave]

La Rouge just has anti-colonialist and anti-bourgeois attitudes.

It would be more accurate to say he hates his own people and is so demoralized he wishes he belonged to a colonized people. The ideology is just the surface manifestation of the underlying despair.

[Beren]

he wishes he belonged to a colonized people.

He just wishes he were some kind of a new Che Guevera himself.

[Dr House]

You don't need to be a W***** to be Che. Shit, Fidel himself is white and a racist son of a bitch.

[Beren]

But you certainly need to reject WASP supremacy.

[Dave]

But you certainly need to reject WASP supremacy.

Well sure, since Che objected to American influence in Latin America.

[Beren]

He objected US-imperialism in general. Especially in Latin America, since he was a Latin American himself too.

[Dave]

He objected US-imperialism in general, especially in Latin America, since he was a Latin American himself too.

In other words, he was loyal to his own people. Quite unlike Le Rouge.

[Beren]

I would rather say he was loyal to everyone oppressed, especially to his own people.

[Dave]

I would rather say he was loyal to everyone oppressed, especially to his own people.

That is the romantic image, but on his one venture to a different "oppressed" people he turned out to feel very, very negatively about them. No one really gives a damn about everyone "oppressed". To do so would prevent one from living a normal life, dissociation from distant tragedies being key to staying emotionally healthy.

[Beren]

He was a Cuban revolutionary, although he was an Argentinian. He was just familiar with Latin American people and culture, so he was some kind of a nationalist indeed, but he was against (Yankee) imperialism generally and basically.

[Dr House]

But you certainly need to reject WASP supremacy.

You do if you're Latin American. I certainly reject WASP supremacy. Nonetheless, rejecting Anglic supremacy does not imply rejecting white supremacy as a whole. Castro supported the restoration of the caste system in Cuba (which, by the way, I most certainly do not).

[Dave]

He was a Cuban revolutionary, although he was an Argentinian. He was just familiar with Latin American people and culture, so he was some kind of a nationalist indeed, but he was against (Yankee) imperialism generally and basically.

There is little to support this view aside from his adoption of Marxism, which was really just a vehicle of aggression against American imperialism. American imperialism being global, other Third World liberation movements were useful allies. Do you suppose the Diggers and Levelers were concerned about Oriental despotism? Little different than Ho Chi Minh's adoption of Marxism as a vehicle of aggression against French (and later American) colonialism.

[Beren]

Castro supported the restoration of the caste system in Cuba

What about Che?

There is little to support this view aside from his adoption of Marxism, which was really just a vehicle of aggression against American imperialism.

And a vehicle of getting closer to the USSR. He was rather a Latin American patriot than a Marxist, that's right. However, I'm sure he would have fought the apartheid if he had been born in Africa and I'm sure he did not appreciate it at all.

[Dave]

And a vehicle of getting closer to the USSR. He was rather a Latin American patriot than a Marxist, that's right. However, I'm sure he would have fought the apartheid if he had been born in Africa and I'm sure he did not appreciate it at all.

Born as what in Africa?

[Beren]

Born as himself.

[Dr House]

What about Che?

He died before he could do more than fap to Marx and kill a shitload of gringos, but he was born in Argentna in the early 20th century, and Argentines are notoriously racist.

Born as himself.

Himself would never have been born in South Africa, as there isn't an established Spanish community in South Africa. he'd have been born as an Afrikaner, an Anglo-African, Coloured or Black. Now answer the question.

[Beren]

He would have been more-or-less the same kind of person anyway if we assume he would have grown up the same way in Africa as he was grown up in Latin America. He would have sympathized with the poor and oppressed and rejected British or any kinds of European imperialism.