foxdemon wrote:In truth both groups are sexist. Feminist sexism in Australia is a dangerous subject to bring up, yet many women today are as sexist as the worst mysonginist. This does not justify the sexism of many men. What it is show is that the effort to free Australian culture from sexism has been an abject failure.
How is this a uniquely Australian thing? It's basically gender relations 101 on every corner of the earth.
Consider a comparision with Sweden. In order to achieve a gender equal outcome in employment in Sweden, a policy of 50% men and women exists, with a certain percentage either side working toward to 50% outcome. The equivilent in Australia, where such a policy exists (often universities) dictates at least 50% women, but upto 100%. It is clear there is a very different philiosphy toward gender politics between Australia and Sweden. In Sweden we see a well thought out attempt to achieve gender equality and in Australia we see a struggle to determine who gets to be sexist.
Yes I see your point and I would subscribe it to feminists wanting their cake and to eat it too. Women are weak and helpless one moment when it is advantageous while just as capable or superior another moment.
There is also no real benefit to legislating a balance in the workplace when neither gender is necessarily interested in working in a field dominated by the other and would only encourage inadequate people being put into positions the are unsuited to. For example I would not leave my children in the care of a man or a butch lesbian.
Too many of the women behind Australian feminism are unscruppulous, greedy, unethical and mean spirited. Given that many of the men (many of these these women have sons, you know) are just the same, there seems to be very little hope for a genuine gender equality in this country.
Nor should there be equality. This assumes the genders are equal which is just an extension of Christian nonsense of all humans being equal when they aren't.
Australia lacks the atmosphere of cooperation the Sweds enjoy, and I argue that this is due to the bogan mentality.
The problems Australia faces are that it is far too diverse in culture, ethnicity and wealth to ever be able to function like Sweden, which is very homogeneous in most areas. We also have an extremely polarised and typically Anglo political process where people are forced into one of two camps. Given that people readily adopt views to fit in better with their peers, it is unsurprising that progressives and "bogans" hate eachother and cannot agree on anything.
Sorry, but Australian culture is challenged in regard to progressive agendas due to to high level of boganism amongst the mainstream population. This shows up in gender debates like this one in parliament. Looks to me like two mobs of nasty sexist bogans accusing eachother of being nasty and sexist.
This assumes the moral superiority of progressive views and immorality of those who do not subscribe to them. Really I tend to find progressives just as bad as bogans although in a more passive aggressive and bitchy manner. How do you expect to debate people who you actively despise when you don't actually want dialogue, just monologue. Progressive moral superiority and arrogance is the first barrier preventing more widespread adoption of their views in addition to it's spokes persons all being unacceptable to bogans.
Funny thing is progressives love communism and socialism but actually hate the people these ideologies are designed for.