- 24 Mar 2015 12:57
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Sure, but they only decided that this was important to them after 1945. Before 1945 their main problem was that Japan was in there.
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Dagoth Ur wrote:The British, famous for their Irish and Indian famines, also participated in that definition.But they weren't the ones that wanted to exclude political mass murder from the definition, so how is that relevant?
Dagoth Ur wrote:FROLLEIN uses RUNReally? Since when is PoFo the place to genuinely try to learn something new and perhaps amend or enlarge your worldview? Everyone is shouting their ideology from their pulpit and fuck the opposition. How are you measuring who's won? I still stand by my view that the definition isn't worth the paper it's written on, since it was tailored to suit the interests of the Soviet Union and I give a damn if some internet commie disagrees with me.
*can't escape*
Yeah because you couldn't justify the label of genocide then and you cannot now. It is your own fault for bringing it back up.
Rei Murasame wrote:I didn't have to reach far to seize on it, given that you guys put the ethnicity card into play, and furthermore it's a discussion about a war that had an ethnic dimension.
I can understand Ben's position because for him it would be logical that if he was with the Chinese warlords or the Chinese communists, then he'd not be happy about the Kwantung Army (which was staffed by both Japanese and Koreans by the way) [1]prancing around killing anyone who looked like a Chinese insurgent and alternately [2]killing anything that appeared to be Russian or Russian-sympathising.
benpenguin wrote:I find myself strangely okay with Rei's position. Her position on WWII is on my opposite side, but I can understand it. What I would want is for Japan to be repentent on mass murdering citizens, if not the war. But I guess we have been pushing it long enough to know it is pointless.
UnusuallyUsual wrote:This Rei person obviously does not speak on behalf of all Japanese people. TONS of Japanese people feel extreme regret about WWII and the role their country played. There actually ARE liberal and even leftist Japanese people you know.
I, for one, frankly *don't* understand Rei's "position" especially with regards to just blanket hate of all things Russia. In fact, I find it quite offensive and racist, being myself half Russian. But meh.
annatar1914 wrote:Rei, you are aware that as we've discussed before there was a huge community of Anti-Bolshevik Russians living in Harbin, Manchuria and several units of Russian troops who bravely fought in the Kwantung army?
UnusuallyUsual wrote:This Rei person obviously does not speak on behalf of all Japanese people.
UnusuallyUsual wrote:I, for one, frankly *don't* understand Rei's "position" especially with regards to just blanket hate of all things Russia.
benpenguin wrote:For that...actually none of us do.
benpenguin wrote:I don't necessarily need you to get it. It makes things easier if you accept it as a kind of 'black box', because then I don't have to write so much. It simply is what it is, and I shouldn't need to bother justifying it any further than I have. I can present you with the geostrategic interests, and so on, so that you can see the logic behind it, and I do that all the time. I cannot make you think like I do, though.
Rei Murasame wrote:Yes, but I'll say the same thing that I said before. If desperate right-wing Russians wanted to collaborate with Axis to literally destroy Russia, it should be obvious that Russia is not going to exist afterwards, so that would not be inconvenient to my narrative, it'd be inconvenient to yours.
Hideki Tojo's plan was to meet Adolf Hitler in Moscow after the USSR was defeated, and undo the dams so that the entire of Moscow would become a giant lake. That was actually the plan.
annatar1914 wrote: Those anti-communist Russians fought with the Japanese and Germans, and anybody else, to liberate Russia, not destroy her.
fuser wrote:
Yes by killing millions of Russians for being ummmmm Russians.
Annatar1914 wrote:Fuser, you know as well as I do that the forces like the ROA of General Vlasov didn't fight to kill 'millions of Russians', but to free the Russian Nation. The fact that they were impeded at every turn by the Germans is one of the perplexities of the history of WWII.
fuser wrote:
No, I don't. lol Vlassov was nothing but a spineless traitor while in Red Army he was fighting Germans but the moment he was captured his loyalty changed instantly to save his skin nothing more.
Also what the fuck he imagined when working for the Germans who were there to exterminate everyone between Warsaw and Urals, to be not impeded?
He perfectly knew what was in the store and still went along just to save his precious skin but obviously he failed and was hanged like a spineless traitor he was.
Oh and also note that the only combat he saw while being a German lapdog was to defend Germany like a good Nazi lapdog he was.
fuser wrote::lol:
You just refuted everything I said, Annatar. Here let me refute that Earth revolves around Sun. "Lies all lies". There, done.
The fucking ridiculousness of people claiming that persons who worked for a group which was exterminating an entire population was actually for liberating that population.
I mean stupid shits are being said on the PoFo all the time but there has to be a limit.
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