QatzelOk wrote:
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That's a purely *pathological* / glass-half-empty treatment, Qatzel.
QatzelOk wrote:
And then came cellphones, the Internet, and electronic feeds of every kind. People have never been further from reality. The Social Construction Addiction has never been more endemic.
And this is probably where things went haywire and *diverged* -- it's the 'Information Overload' complaint, essentially that 'My cup overfloweth.'
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QatzelOk wrote:
Or do you need to constantly come back to your phone, texting, mass media, discussion groups, classes, church, etc... just to avoid facing the reality that is sitting there behind all those socially-constructed lies?
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Wellsy wrote:
Norms have a history and not only is it impossible to understand a norm independently of its history, it is actually impossible to understand norms in general, without studying the historical process which fashions norms.
History, Macro-Micro -- politics-logistics-lifestyle
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Robert Urbanek wrote:
While I can agree that people in our modern society are manipulated by the media to be dutiful consumers, regardless of the environmental costs, I don’t see social structures that have endured for hundreds of years to be part of that process.
How about the *class divide* (income-inequality) social structure.
(Also populism vs. nationalist militarism.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2010s_protestshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2020s_protestsHistory, Macro-Micro -- simplified
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Unthinking Majority wrote:
Its not unnatural for women to want to find a longterm stable mate to protect and provide for her family.
That's *class*, though -- ultimately the material issue there is *inheritance* / passing-down of *private property*:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origi ... _the_State---
QatzelOk wrote:
In fact, it was the inefficiency of these things (you needed to be beside the phone to receive a call, television is not always interesting, driving a car costs money) that lead to people maintaining a certain quantity of high-quality interpersonal relations.
The child who is raised with a cellphone in his bib... has no chance.
Isn't this really a matter of *taste*, though -- ?
You're letting your own *personality*-based likes and biases enter-into your discussion of lifestyle modalities *in general*.
You're definitely showing yourself to be a devotee of *McLuhan*, Qatzel, whether you know it or not -- conflating the 'medium' / modality, with the 'message' / content itself.
And here's the results -- your habitual *blanket dismissal* of anything modern, just because various options now exist over communication *modalities*.
Instead of getting swept-up by the 'new-fangled' technologies now in the hands of consumers, you've studiously *avoided* interaction and content, *all* because of your dogmatic 'The-medium-is-the-message' McLuhanism.
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Unthinking Majority wrote:
Marx and Hitler had criticisms about society too. Their solutions were shit, they killed tens of millions. Oops.
Poor conflation there....
Karl Heinrich Marx FRSA (German: [maʁks]; 5 May 1818 – 14 March 1883) was a German philosopher, economist, historian, sociologist, political theorist, journalist, critic of political economy, and socialist revolutionary. His best-known titles are the 1848 pamphlet The Communist Manifesto and the four-volume Das Kapital (1867–1883). Marx's political and philosophical thought had enormous influence on subsequent intellectual, economic, and political history. His name has been used as an adjective, a noun, and a school of social theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx
Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ] (listen); 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician who was dictator of Germany from 1933 until his death in 1945. He rose to power as the leader of the Nazi Party,[a] becoming the chancellor in 1933 and then taking the title of Führer und Reichskanzler in 1934.[b] During his dictatorship, he initiated World War II in Europe by invading Poland on 1 September 1939. He was closely involved in military operations throughout the war and was central to the perpetration of the Holocaust: the genocide of about six million Jews and millions of other victims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
And, UM, please stop conflating leftist aims with rightist aims. Thank you.
3-Dimensional Axes of Social Reality