An investigation of what happened on Oct 7 destroys much of the official narrative of it fed to you by Zionists, who basically lie as they breathe:
MadMonk wrote:Are the Americans supporting these actions?
No, and with every new poll, increasingly no.
From the most recent poll:
Rich wrote:We were standing sixty yards from the BBC building. The obvious thing to do was to storm the BBC and occupy it, that would be a protest that couldn't be ignored. Such provocative direct action though must be tied to near term achievable demands, not long term fantasies. I don't go on protests to give my life meaning, or find a way to pass the time, I'm only interested in effecting change, hence I haven't felt tempted to go on any more.
Perhaps you haven't attended many protests in London, Rich, but buildings like the BBC HQ have a lot of security as well as the police protecting it. Plus, our side are peaceful protesters because some of us understand that we cannot match the power of the state, plus optics matter too and we will get more people onside.
If you're so passionate about storming a building, be sure to report back on how it went. If you're able to..
The Palestinian Solidarity Movement is quite correct to say that the Israelis don't really care about the death and sufferings of Gazans, but neither does the Left or the Palestinian Solidarity Movement.
Nonsense.
If Hamas and their supporters were to demand the complete independence of Gaza in return for a long term peace, they would have a very powerful negotiating position.
Hamas and other resistance organisations have been demanding the end of the occupation for decades and the blockade ever since it began. Hamas' 2017 Charter agreed to the two state solution where Palestinians would get just 22% of their land. The only party that refuses is the Israelis because 78% of the land isn't enough and they want all of occupied Palestine.
It would then up to the Israelis to say if they didn't want an independent Gaza, that Gaza had to go back to Egypt.
Gaza is Palestine, not Egypt. If you think Palestinians are going to give up on their land and state after almost six months of this war, and the last 75+ years, you're not paying attention.
I'm not offended by "From the River to the Sea", I just see it as empty virtue signalling. From the River to the Sea is not going to happen, but neither are the Israelis going to give back the West Bank. We're now talking about a million settlers.
What do you understand "From the River to the Sea" to mean? It is basically a call for freedom, in that, Palestinians get
equal rights with
all the people of the land who live between the River Jordan and Med Sea. Currently, there is a system of apartheid there and a concentration camp, now more commonly known as a death camp.
Also, over a million settlers have left occupied Palestine since Oct 7 and that looks like it will only increase, since the settlers have somewhere else to go back to and if there's an option of living in peace or living in war, we know what most people would opt for. Palestinians on the other hand are rooted in the land and will fight for it until death or victory, as the last 75+ years demonstrate. They are not leaving.
When you try and get Liberals to address this matter seriously they Liberal Zionist gas lighters start talking about land swaps. Please spare me.
Liberal Zionism never existed. Zionism in Palestine was always a colonial project based on racism, ethnic cleansing and genocide.
wat0n wrote:Hamas has at least killed Palestinian civilians trying to pick up aid.
It is not clear to me if they would also kill those trying to evacuate Rafah if it comes to be.
The only "evidence" you had to support these lies was a video of some shooting occurring and...that was it. No evidence of who was doing the shooting. There weren't even any people said to be shot. There hasn't been a single Palestinian claiming Hamas are shooting at them, but plenty of testimonies of the Israelis sniping dead Palestinians or killing their relatives or friends. Let me know if you would like me to show you a list of these sniper executions. Here's one:
If you're going to lie, try to make it believable. Why would Hamas shoot their own? For anyone paying attention to the resistance factions and their resistance against the Israeli army, you will see that the Palestinian fighters shoot and target the Israeli
army on the ground in Gaza who are holed up in buildings they occupy or in tanks, as well as downing their drones on some occasions.
Meanwhile, the Israeli cowards have been shooting at anything that moves, including women and children, when they're not being complete cowards by bombing from remote locations, from a distance or from the skies. Israelis have even shot and killed their own hostages in Gaza, despite the hostages shouting at them in Hebrew with raised white flags, pleading at the Israeli army not to kill them. They got killed anyway. And they've killed tens of their own hostages in Gaza since the Israeli hostages happen to be in that area the Israeli army has been carpet-bombing for over 170 days.
The Israeli government does not care about the Israeli hostages. The Israeli hostages know this. Freed Israeli hostages have accused their government of this too.
wat0n wrote:The civilians shot in Rafah prove otherwise. Israel does not have ground troops there.
More lies. The resistance is not shooting its own people, it's shooting at the Israeli terrorists, the ones brave enough to enter Gaza, where they keep getting run out of.
Here is a video showing how the Palestinian resistance fights compared to how the Israeli diaper army fights. Feel free to compare and contrast:
This is how the Israelis make war:
JohnRawls wrote:1) Hamas supporters why are hostages not released yet or atleast their bodies not given to Israel if they are dead? May be change your government to somebody who is for peace? Do you like whats happening? It is well deserved after the attack.
The remaining 130 or so Israeli hostages have not been released yet because, despite repeated negotiations, Netanyahu won't make a deal that is suitable to the Palestinian resistance. The Palestinians are demanding all Palestinian hostages in exchange for the Israeli hostages, an end to Israeli aggression in Gaza and a permanent ceasefire. At best, Netanyahu has offered a two week ceasefire, but what use is that for Palestinians to give up their bargaining chips so that the Israeli army can take a short break before re-arming to continue their genocide?
Also, Netanyahu knows if a deal is made, he will very quickly be in a dock, be it an Israeli one for 4 corruption charges against him or an international one, for genocide. Plenty of people inside the Israeli government and amongst its people understand Netanyahu is continuing genocide to save his own back.
JohnRawls wrote:Current Israel government has not been interested in peace since early 90s/late 80s
Incorrect. The Israelis have never sought peace with the people whose land they stole. In the Likud Charter in 1977, the Israelis said there would be no Palestinian state. A number of Israeli politicians up to Netanyahu very recently reiterated this, after the West brought back the "two state solution" charade back on the table.
Godstud wrote:So far, the only genocide in the region occurred on Oct 7 when Hamas killed, raped, and kidnapped men, women and children, to start a war.
Why do you have to keep displaying how ignorant you are on this topic? The genocide against Palestinians became official in 1948. What happened on October 7 2023 was the most recent response to Israel's genocide of Palestinians.
There were previous uprisings by Palestinian natives too, in the First and Second Intifadas and the uprisings against European Zionists and British military pre the 1948 official occupation of Palestine.
Even the Thai negotiator for the hostages that were freed in Nov
understood the context behind the Oct 7 action. Maybe you should do some reading.
Also, there is no evidence of any rape occurring on October 7, despite the many claiming this, that have got debunked each time.
Meanwhile in reality..
"Every accusation is a confession"
Free Palestine.