- 26 Apr 2024 06:53
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1. The ones arrested were disrupting classes, blocking freedom of movement on campus, harassing and intimidating people including physically based on their ethnicity, camping on public school groups without authorization and refusing to leave when things kept getting uglier. Any students causing such a disturbance and refusing to leave should get arrested too, and the Jewish students weren't the ones doing these things. Show me another group of students who were allowed to get away with everything these protestors were doing and i'll be happy to call Columbia admin unjust hypocrites.
2. Ok?
3. If colleges were to divest from businesses in all countries that committed human rights abuses they would be eliminating virtually every country in the world. A college with a diverse student base starting to pick and choose investments based on the politics of one group of students is an unworkable slippery slope and a non-starter.
4. You're the one framing the issue around tents. You've ignored everything else these protestors have done because you argue in bad faith.
Whichever side has more wealth and power has nothing to do with which side is breaking school policy and breaking the law. This is a convenient way to ignore the laws and school regulations the protestors have broken and instead frame them as being victims while having to lay no responsibility for their own actions.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Rather than focusing on your ideas about my (irrelevant) opinions, we can look at some factual differences between those opposed to the war and those defending the current conflict.
1. The ones protesting the war are being arrested. The ones defending it are not.
2. The ones protesting the war do not have financial influence over PSE institutions. The ones defending it do have this influence.
3. The ones protesting the war are challenging the existing system where universities financially benefit from investing in abusive regimes. The ones defending the war want everything to stay the same.
These all seem to indicate that the ones defending the war have most of the power and wealth in this debate.
5. Which is why they get to frame the debate about “tents” instead of their investment in regimes that commit human rights abuses.
1. The ones arrested were disrupting classes, blocking freedom of movement on campus, harassing and intimidating people including physically based on their ethnicity, camping on public school groups without authorization and refusing to leave when things kept getting uglier. Any students causing such a disturbance and refusing to leave should get arrested too, and the Jewish students weren't the ones doing these things. Show me another group of students who were allowed to get away with everything these protestors were doing and i'll be happy to call Columbia admin unjust hypocrites.
2. Ok?
3. If colleges were to divest from businesses in all countries that committed human rights abuses they would be eliminating virtually every country in the world. A college with a diverse student base starting to pick and choose investments based on the politics of one group of students is an unworkable slippery slope and a non-starter.
4. You're the one framing the issue around tents. You've ignored everything else these protestors have done because you argue in bad faith.
Whichever side has more wealth and power has nothing to do with which side is breaking school policy and breaking the law. This is a convenient way to ignore the laws and school regulations the protestors have broken and instead frame them as being victims while having to lay no responsibility for their own actions.
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All of a sudden these pro-Palestinian campus protestors gladly support illegally occupying land that doesn't belong to them, and enforcing checkpoints, blockades, and ethnic apartheid. Some of them even openly support genocide.
All of a sudden these pro-Palestinian campus protestors gladly support illegally occupying land that doesn't belong to them, and enforcing checkpoints, blockades, and ethnic apartheid. Some of them even openly support genocide.