[wat0n]

There you go again - yawwwwnnn - playing the old "antisemites" card again. If you want to believe that every person in Ireland is antisemitic because it makes you feel more comfortable then go ahead, see if I care.

Did I say every single Irish is antisemitic?

If anything, I am sure those protesters are also in the minority. An annoying one like the US.

I'm just pushing back against your nonsense.

[wat0n]

There is no footage in this thread of anyone being chased.

Not only there is but there was some discussion on it.

[Pants-of-dog]

There was footage of a man who was not touched or chased but was unable to progress past a group of people.

[Unthinking Majority]

The Zionist entity has decided to re-locate to your city.
You will have to leave immediately or be killed.

Please do not radicalize during your ethnic-cleansing.

- Management

Many centuries ago the Spanish Christian Empire led by extremist religious nutjobs conquer the Aztec indigenous people, colonize their territory, murder or kick out most of the Aztecs, and steal all of their land, buildings, cities, religious site etc and build a giant Catholic church on the ruins of the Aztecs' oldest and most sacred religious temple in Central America.

The Aztec indigenous people flee to Europe, become very literate and educated, and thus do well economically. The most racist of the Europeans blame them for all their problems and systematically attempt to genocide them all.

Because of the racism/genocide the Aztecs start legally buying up a lot of land in their homeland and moving back. They're attacked by racist local Spanish mobs for wanting to pray at their ancient Aztec temple sites. The Spanish Empire lose a huge war in Latin America and their empire collapses and so all the Spanish territory now belongs to Britain & French. The British/French give all the Spanish countries in Latin America their independence. The British feel bad about the Aztec genocide in Europe so they promise to split the Aztec indigenous land between the Aztecs and the local Spanish settler colonial population. The Aztecs agree to share the land roughly 50/50 including their ancient capital city, and let millions of Spanish live in their country and run in elections.

The Spanish reject any 2-state deal and say they will refuse any deal where any amount of indigenous Aztec land is given back to the Aztecs and want 100% control of the ancient Aztec capital city and religious sites, so they attack the Aztecs to drive them out. The Spanish religious fanatics spend the next 80 years trying to murder Aztec men, women, and children trying to drive out the Aztecs that they conquered and drove out 1500 years ago, and then complain about being victims. Spanish fanatics then import weapons and constantly launch rockets at Aztec civilians and then cry victim when the Aztecs regulate/block trade in order to stop the import of those weapons. Spanish fanatical terrorists hide in schools, churches, and hospitals and then cry victim when the Aztecs bomb those cites.

[Skynet]

@Unthinking Majority

Palestinians are the natives, and Israelis (mostly Euro-Jews) the colonizers.... Israel has lost due its overreaction the Media-war...


Or can I as Slav demand Ukrainian territory because my ancestors lived there 1500 years ago?

[wat0n]

There was footage of a man who was not touched or chased but was unable to progress past a group of people.

Yes he was, and then he was chased when he tried to flee and surrounded. That man is also a student who has a right to access UCLA's buildings.

[Pants-of-dog]

I am not going to debate someone else’s perception of what is clearly on video.

Between that and the speculative fiction written by @Unthinking Majority, we need to get back to reality:

Despite all the handwringing about antisemitism, not one of the congresspeople pushing these bills has anything to say about the antisemitism of the far right, despite the recent march by a white supremacy group.

So we see all this government reaction to college protests criticizing Israel, but open and flagrant antisemitic groups can march openly without any police or government reaction.

Tjis weakens the argument that combating antisemitism is the real motivation for the government.

[Deutschmania]

These students have taken a bold action , in defiance of police barriers .

Pro-Palestinian protesters who had been blocked by police from accessing an encampment at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology on Monday broke through fencing, linked arms and encircled tents that remained there, as Columbia University canceled its university-wide commencement ceremony following weeks of pro-Palestinian protests.

Sam Ihns, a graduate student at MIT studying mechanical engineering and a member of MIT Jews for a Ceasefire, said the group had been at the encampment for the past two weeks and that they were calling for an end to the killing of thousands of people in Gaza.

“Specifically, our encampment is protesting MIT’s direct research ties to the Israeli ministry of defense,” he said. Protesters also sat in the middle of Massachusetts Avenue, blocking the street during rush hour in the Boston area.

The demonstrations at Columbia have roiled its campus and officials said on Monday that while it would not hold its main commencement ceremony, students would be able to celebrate at a series of smaller, school-based ceremonies this week and next.

The decision comes as universities around the country wrangle with how to handle commencements for students whose high school graduations were derailed by Covid-19 in 2020. Another campus shaken by protests, Emory University, announced on Monday that it would move its commencement from its Atlanta campus to a suburban arena. Others, including the University of Michigan, Indiana University and Northeastern University, have pulled off ceremonies with few disruptions. Columbia’s decision to cancel its main ceremony, scheduled for 15 May, saves its president, Minouche Shafik, from having to deliver a commencement address in the same part of campus where police dismantled a protest encampment last week. The Ivy League school in upper Manhattan said it had made the decision after discussions with students.

“Our students emphasized that these smaller-scale, school-based celebrations are most meaningful to them and their families,” officials said.

Most of the ceremonies that had been scheduled for the south lawn of the main campus, where encampments were taken down last week, will take place about five miles north at Columbia’s sports complex, officials said.

Speakers at some of Columbia’s still-scheduled graduation ceremonies include the Pulitzer prize-winning playwright James Ijames and Dr Monica Bertagnolli, director of the National Institutes of Health. Columbia had already canceled in-person classes. More than 200 pro-Palestinian demonstrators who had camped out on Columbia’s green or occupied an academic building were arrested in recent weeks.

Similar encampments sprouted up elsewhere as universities struggled with where to draw the line between allowing free expression while maintaining safe and inclusive campuses.

On Monday evening, a group of students at the Rhode Island School of Design in Providence used tables and chairs to barricade the entrance to the second floor of a building on campus, preventing police from getting in, according to a report from the Brown Daily Herald, a student publication at nearby Brown University.

The protest was organized by Risd Students for Justice in Palestine, who said they would not leave the building until the school’s president, Crystal Williams, met their demands for fiscal transparency around investments, “holistic” divestment from groups involved with “sustaining Israel apartheid”, establishing a student oversight committee for investments and publicly condemning Israel’s actions in Gaza as a genocide.

The University of Southern California earlier canceled its main graduation ceremony. Students abandoned their camp at USC on Sunday after being surrounded by police and threatened with arrest.

Other universities have held graduation ceremonies with beefed-up security. The University of Michigan’s ceremony was interrupted by chanting a few times on Saturday. In Boston on Sunday, some students waved small Palestinian or Israeli flags at Northeastern University’s commencement in Fenway Park.

At the University of California, San Diego, police cleared an encampment and arrested more than 64 people, including 40 students, on Monday.

The University of California, Los Angeles, moved all classes online for the entire week due to continuing disruptions following the dismantling of an encampment last week. The university police force reported 44 arrests on Monday but there were no specific details, the UCLA spokesperson Eddie North-Hager said in an email to the Associated Press.

Schools are trying various tactics from appeasement to threats of disciplinary action to get protesters to take down encampments or move to campus areas where demonstrations would be less intrusive.

A group of faculty and staff members at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill asked the administration for amnesty for any students who were arrested and suspended during recent protests. UNC Faculty and Staff for Justice in Palestine said in a media advisory that it would deliver a letter on behalf of more than 500 faculty who support the student activists.

Other universities took a different approach.

Harvard University’s interim president, Alan Garber, warned students that those participating in a pro-Palestinian encampment in Harvard Yard could face “involuntary leave”. That means they would not be allowed on campus, could lose their student housing and might not be able to take exams, Garber said.

The Guardian

[Deutschmania]

You're no doubt referring to an earlier version of the charter, the 2017 revised version has inflammatory language removed.

Israel is - according to international law (the UN) - illegally occupying territory that lies outside of the boundaries defined by the UN before 1967.

The UN charter makes it clear that occupation by a foreign power can be resisted, Palestinian resistance is no different to say French resistance to the German occupation in WW2.

You can disagree with the UN if you want, it doesn't matter, the facts are the facts.

Israel is founded on racial supremacy, the government was not elected, the people of Palestine who lie inside the original Israel borders from 1948 had no say in the matter, no vote.

Many Jews including early Zionist Jews were in favor of an elected government for the whole of Palestine, were each person would become a citizen of the new state and no special rights or privileges would be afforded to specific ethnic or religious groups.

The past is the past, what's done is done, what we should be seeing is impartiality from the United States and other nations, with a goal of correcting the huge imbalance in rights and privileges of all the people in Palestine. The two state solution has been undermined decade after decade and any attempt to create a single state where Palestinians, Jews and others are all equal citizens, is also off the table.

There are two directions we can go, first sit and watch as Israel continues its mass murder and destruction (including territorial expansion and settler theft of land and property) until we reach the stage where there is no longer any significant Palestinian resistance OR apply sanctions against Israel (including military support) with the clear stipulation that it must comply with the many UN resolutions that is is violating (Israel is in violation of more resolutions than the rest of the world combined).

Only the former is ever considered by the United States because Israel serves the geopolitical purpose of thwarting Arab and Palestinian self determination, this is total in keeping with US foreign policy, undermine democracy anywhere that it might conflict with US interests (as is the case in Latin America and Palestine).

It's actually only in the occupied territories that Palestinians are not permitted to vote . Elsewhere , Israeli Arab citizens are allowed , whether or not they care to participate in elections . A number of Arabs have even to some extent been elected to the Knesset . This woman explains the situation well , I think . She also participated in this other video , where she describes her political party , Hadash .

[wat0n]

I am not going to debate someone else’s perception of what is clearly on video.

Indeed, it is not up for debate that a student was impeded access, then chased and surrounded. One of the things that led to the confrontation a few days later (and which showed the protesters aren't so tough when they face opposition).

Between that and the speculative fiction written by @Unthinking Majority, we need to get back to reality:

Despite all the handwringing about antisemitism, not one of the congresspeople pushing these bills has anything to say about the antisemitism of the far right, despite the recent march by a white supremacy group.

So we see all this government reaction to college protests criticizing Israel, but open and flagrant antisemitic groups can march openly without any police or government reaction.

Tjis weakens the argument that combating antisemitism is the real motivation for the government.

I don't think anyone in the Jewish community will have any problem with policing the far-right too. But you know what? They are at least open about what they want, they don't weasel.

[Pants-of-dog]

Since the congresspeople are not motivated by a need to combat antisemitism, other reasons must be impelling this legislation.

[Sherlock Holmes]

It's actually only in the occupied territories that Palestinians are not permitted to vote . Elsewhere , Israeli Arab citizens are allowed , whether or not they care to participate in elections . A number of Arabs have even to some extent been elected to the Knesset . This woman explains the situation well , I think . She also participated in this other video , where she describes her political party , Hadash .

Well of course the residents of the occupied territories cannot vote, they have no right to self determination, that's true. Despite non-Jewish citizens of Israel proper, having voting rights in reality the systems and practices reduce their relevance to almost nil.

Israel's claim to be a democracy is just that, a claim. Even though Palestinian citizens can vote, they are not treated equally under Israeli rule, there are many restrictions that are not applied to Jewish citizens.

Equality of citizens is not enshrined in Israel's so called "Basic Laws" and in fact there arte many laws that are discriminatory, applied prejudicially to non-Jews.

Consider the Income Tax Ordinance, amendment 191:



and



This latter law enables the zionists to thwart any attempt to challenge the racial supremacy of "Jews" and so effectively enable the racism to continue unabated.

[wat0n]

Israel is not the only country that allows the expulsion of MPs. The only way this has been actually used was to Kach out of the Knesset and ban it.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Israel is not the only country that allows the expulsion of MPs.

I never said it was.

[wat0n]

I never said it was.

Then what's your point? Again, the only time this was used was to expel Kach and then ban it if anything. You've said Israel is Kahanist so I would say this is a major contradiction on your end.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Then what's your point? Again, the only time this was used was to expel Kach and then ban it if anything. You've said Israel is Kahanist so I would say this is a major contradiction on your end.

The point was to share a few examples of the laws that enable the Jew supremacist Israeli state to crush dissent and deny rights to non-Jews.

These laws are applied selectively to punish political dissent, there are many examples and plenty of documented cases.

Israel is a "Jewish State" this is enshrined in law, it is a racial supremacist state - no other country has that (well the Third Reich did once). England has no law stating "This is an English state" Spain has no law "This is Spanish state" and so on.

How would you feel if you were Black and lived in a state who's legal founding documents describe the place as a "This is a White state"? tell me, go on, answer the question...

From Wikipedia:

Modern Israel came into existence on 14 May 1948 as a polity to serve as the homeland for the Jewish people. It was also defined in its declaration of independence as a "Jewish state", a term that also appeared in the United Nations Partition Plan for British Palestine in 1947.

[wat0n]

The point was to share a few examples of the laws that enable the Jew supremacist Israeli state to crush dissent and deny rights to non-Jews.

These laws are applied selectively to punish political dissent, there are many examples and plenty of documented cases.

Like... banning Kach?

But that one was good.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I wonder at what point the international community will authorize military action against Tel-Aviv, like the United States has done to other countries that are accused of violating international law like Iraq or Serbia or Iran or Libya or Somalia or Yemen or ....

[wat0n]

Israel is a "Jewish State" this is enshrined in law, it is a racial supremacist state - no other country has that (well the Third Reich did once). England has no law stating "This is an English state" Spain has no law "This is Spanish state" and so on.

How would you feel if you were Black and lived in a state who's legal founding documents describe the place as a "This is a White state"? tell me, go on, answer the question...

From Wikipedia:

Palestine defines itself as an Arab state (article 1 of its Constitution). This kind of explicit definitions are common in the Middle East but can also be found in parts of Europe (especially Eastern Europe).

[Sherlock Holmes]

Palestine defines itself as an Arab state (article 1 of its Constitution). This kind of explicit definitions are common in the Middle East but can also be found in parts of Europe (especially Eastern Europe).

This is a document drafted after the state of Israel was created and began its ethnic cleansing of non-Jews in 1948. The Palestinian constitution is a reaction to that, it expresses a reaction to that, no constitution should emphasize race or religion and if Palestine had not been undemocratically partitioned by the colonial powers we might have seen a single state of Palestine where Jew, Arab, Kurds, Armenians, Africans end Europeans could all live under the same laws, treated equally, given equal rights.