Unthinking Majority wrote:1. Hamas are jihadist extremist terrorist scumbags and liars who slaughter/rape innocent civilians and hide in schools and hospitals like cowards and then cry victim. They can re-write whatever jibberish they want, their actions speak louder than words, including on Oct 7. Apologists for Hamas are either naive fools or monsters like they are.
Why is Oct 7th being given special status here? because Israeli civilians were killed? Far more Palestinians have been killed by Israel than Jews by Hamas, so what's the reason for emphasizing one attack where Jews were victims?
Unthinking Majority wrote:2. Yes 100% agree.
Unthinking Majority wrote:3. The UN Charter doesn't allow a governing party (Hamas) or non-state actors to launch thousands of rockets targeting civilians over decades or commit mass slaughter specifically targeting men/women/children/babies/elderly. The French didn't mass murder and rape German civilians, and if any soldiers by any country during WWII did do that they are monsters to be condemned which led to things like the UN Charter and UDHR. If the Palestinians want to resist military occupation then attack military targets. The resistance tactics of the jihadist terrorists are inhuman savagery and all of their apologists/supporters are terrible human beings that should rot in hell where they belong.
Israel is in violation - today - of more UN resolutions than the rest of the world combined. Each one is intended to address their persecution of Palestinians in one way or another. The collective effect of disobeying all of these is what should be on the news, not the violent reaction even terrorism of some of those suffering under the Israeli yoke.
Unthinking Majority wrote:4. Name a Muslim nation in the middle east that abides by international law, like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Does the Hamas government? How many of them are non-authoritarian democracies? When Israel breaks international law I agree it's wrong and should be harshly condemned, but Palestinian and Arab/Persian leaders are the pot calling the kettle black. In fact, they'd murder ever Jew tomorrow if given the chance.
No country fully obeys international law including the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia. Nevertheless Israel - by far - is the leading rogue state when it comes to this, far ahead of any other country.
Unthinking Majority wrote:5. Israel is a Jewish nation-state. The Jewish people have a right to national self-determination. Arabs make up 20% of the Israeli population. In Israel, Muslim Arabs serve as MP's in the Knesset now and throughout its history and have all the same legal rights as Jews. Let me know when you can say the same for any Muslim majority country in the middle east and let me know how they treat their Jewish minorities, if they have any.
Israel exists not because of popular democratic movements in Palestine but because of the colonial powers colluding with Zionist extremists decades before WW2. The victors of WW2 carved up Palestine and decided the borders of Israel and thus forced all non-Jews who lived there to now become subjects of a non-elected government where Jews were given preferential status.
Unthinking Majority wrote:6. The Arabs have never wanted a 2-state solution, they want a 1-state solution controlled by Muslims and see the area as 100% the territory of Muslim Arabs and will never settle for less in any permanent political solution. A 1-state solution comprising Arabs, Jews, and Christians etc via power-sharing is a naive and ridiculous idea because the majority group is going to immediately politically dominate the minority groups, which will cause civil unrest and violence. This is the exact reason why the vast majority of civil wars occur both now and throughout history.
The rejection of a two state partitioning was caused by many things, not least of which is that Israel would (did) receive a greater size territory than the Arabs and that many Arabs would have to give up their land else become second class citizens. At the time of partition 51% the Israeli partition was 51% Jew and 49% Arab. At that time Jews owned just 10% of the land allotted to Israel. The Arabs did not participate in any elections, they just woke up one day and found there living under an imposed government that represented Zionist aims, nothing more.
Unthinking Majority wrote:7. Israel has more UN resolutions against it than any other country because the UN General Assembly is made up of a majority of corrupt authoritarian countries that gang up on Israel while never holding themselves to account for all the terrible human rights abuses and UN legal violations they incur. But I agree that the US and other allies can put more pressure to keep Israel more accountable and e.g. remove the illegal settlements in the West Bank.
Well if facts are relevant then we can look at some of those. The UN is the basis of international law, you can claim this is a corrupt organization that colludes against Israeli and unfairly victimizes it but Israel like other nations is subject to it by virtue of the fact it is a signatory to the UN Charter. But pick any resolution you want that has been applied to Israel and we can look at it, you can present evidence that it is unfounded, no factual support, so go ahead pick one and then you'd have to do that to the many others and only then, when you've demonstrated evidence that your conspiracy claims are consistent with facts, I'll consider it seriously.
List of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. You are claiming every one of these is unfounded, a result of antisemitism, every single one is a fabrication unfairly attacking Israel, that's a tall order and needs evidence to be taken seriously.
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