- 24 Apr 2009 07:08
#1883766
"All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia" Orwell
E l/r -10 : L/A -7.64
The "Minority" vote being passed by 27 votes to 9
Ayes:
ingliz, Holt, Donald, HoniSoit, Thunderhawk, Subversive Rob, The Immortal Goon, Nattering Nabob, Okonkwo, Fallen Raptor, dilpill, psyche, Potemkin, MB, Vigil of Reason, VforVendetta, Infidelis, Russian Guy, Demosthenes, Gnote, Red Army, albionfagan, Ombrageux, Mahzi, Vladimir, Gletkin, Zyx
Nays:
Doomhammer, Dave, Dr.House, peter co, Korimyr the Rat, Fasces, Vanasalus, Oxymoron, Cheesecake Marmalade
The PoFo Parliament is now in session; 08.30 Central European Time, this day, Friday the 24th April 2009
The RF/SN-THP being the only grouping ready to form a Government is seated on the Government benches. The first business of the chamber is to ratify a Constitution, appoint a Head of State, and elect the Clerk and Speaker.
The Right Honourable HoniSoit, Parliamentary Leader of the RF/SN-THP Alliance:
I suggest we make some amendments to Clausewitz's interim Constitution.
Below are my suggestions:
Article 1. Elections
1. The Clerk of the Parliament must administer a responsible election and its results must be tabulated and certified by the Clerk no more than 2 days after the preceding election's results were certified.
2. A simple majority in Parliament has the power to dissolve the government, demand a new election, and/or constitute a new government. However, if it is going to be a minority government we probably should make it 66%
3. Elections shall be conducted, tabulated, and certified by the Clerk of the Parliament, who will be designated by any successful act that forms a government.
Article 2. Convention of Parliament
1. Parliament will constitute the number of votes cast and seats in a single house apportioned by the D'Hondt method according to the results certified by the Clerk of the Parliament. I still maintain the number of seats in the parliament should be identical to the number of overall votes; it would make voting and counting much less complex
2. Each voter should be entitled to one seat; however, if expicitly indicated by the MP their seat can be transferred to the party leader if they are inactive at the time of voting
3.Only 'spare' seats should be in the gift of Party Leaders if we keep a 100 seat parliament
4. All current Clerks of the Parliament shall maintain, certify, and report the assignment of seats from the parties in good faith.
5. Once the Clerk of the Parliament certifies that a seat has been assigned an MP, that seat may not be estranged from that MP until the next general election conducted by the Clerk of the Parliament, except by the express and public consent of the MP (certified by the Clerk of the Parliament), or by a 2/3 vote of the Parliament to impeach that MP.
6. This document guarantees no relief or arbitration for disputes within parties. Relief and arbitration would need to be sought through further Acts of Parliament and amendments to this document.
Article 3. Legislation
1. A vote of confidence can only be called on legislation introduced by the Government although private member's bills may be introduced by any MP they have no constitutional significance. Every piece of legislation will be a separate thread.
2. Any piece of legislation that receives more than 1/2 the votes of the Parliament becomes the law of the land.
3. Votes will be placed in the thread as for, against, or (optionally) abstain. Abstaining votes are not counted
4. Seats assigned to the party leader those not seats assigned to members of his party to vote with the party leader.
5. MPs (that is, people assigned seats in Parliament) have the right to break with their party leader if they so choose over a piece of legislation.
6. Legislation may be withdrawn by its author, in which case no further votes on that legislation are recognized.
7. No further votes will be recognized on any legislative thread originating with a previous elected parliament after the election that followed it has been certified by the Clerk of the Parliament. This means that all pending legislation dies when election results are certified.
8. Amendments to this document must receive more than 2/3 of the votes in Parliament to become law.
9. Laws inconsistent with this document (and any successful amendments to it) are prima facie invalid as inconsistent with the basic law of the nation, but this document guarantees no relief or arbitration if a law is challenged on a constitutional basis. The Parliament may ordain and empower bodies which have the power to grant relief and arbitration in disputes as to the constitutionality of legislation .
Article 4. Formation of Government
1.The government is to be formed by the largest grouping with a single-platform and single-leadership organisation in Parliament. At any time, a piece of legislation may be introduced by the Prime Minister, a member of the ruling Party or grouping elected to that position by members of that ruling Party or grouping. This legislation, like any legislation, will succeed if it receives the support of more than 1/2 of the members of Parliament. The first bill introduced by a new government is always a vote of confidence.
2. The government will designate, at a minimum, a Prime Minister and a Clerk of the Parliament. The government may designate as many other ministers as it likes. Those ministers will have no power to introduce legislation pertaining to their portfolio, but are at liberty to interpret the legislation passed by Parliament.
3. The first Clerk of the Parliament is The Right Honourable ingliz of the SN(R)RF. The first Parliament will be convened upon the moment of his certification of the election results.
My suggestions:
Elections should be held every month.
Discuss, amend and ratify............
Ayes:
ingliz, Holt, Donald, HoniSoit, Thunderhawk, Subversive Rob, The Immortal Goon, Nattering Nabob, Okonkwo, Fallen Raptor, dilpill, psyche, Potemkin, MB, Vigil of Reason, VforVendetta, Infidelis, Russian Guy, Demosthenes, Gnote, Red Army, albionfagan, Ombrageux, Mahzi, Vladimir, Gletkin, Zyx
Nays:
Doomhammer, Dave, Dr.House, peter co, Korimyr the Rat, Fasces, Vanasalus, Oxymoron, Cheesecake Marmalade
The PoFo Parliament is now in session; 08.30 Central European Time, this day, Friday the 24th April 2009
The RF/SN-THP being the only grouping ready to form a Government is seated on the Government benches. The first business of the chamber is to ratify a Constitution, appoint a Head of State, and elect the Clerk and Speaker.
The Right Honourable HoniSoit, Parliamentary Leader of the RF/SN-THP Alliance:
I suggest we make some amendments to Clausewitz's interim Constitution.
Below are my suggestions:
Article 1. Elections
1. The Clerk of the Parliament must administer a responsible election and its results must be tabulated and certified by the Clerk no more than 2 days after the preceding election's results were certified.
2. A simple majority in Parliament has the power to dissolve the government, demand a new election, and/or constitute a new government. However, if it is going to be a minority government we probably should make it 66%
3. Elections shall be conducted, tabulated, and certified by the Clerk of the Parliament, who will be designated by any successful act that forms a government.
Article 2. Convention of Parliament
1. Parliament will constitute the number of votes cast and seats in a single house apportioned by the D'Hondt method according to the results certified by the Clerk of the Parliament. I still maintain the number of seats in the parliament should be identical to the number of overall votes; it would make voting and counting much less complex
2. Each voter should be entitled to one seat; however, if expicitly indicated by the MP their seat can be transferred to the party leader if they are inactive at the time of voting
3.Only 'spare' seats should be in the gift of Party Leaders if we keep a 100 seat parliament
4. All current Clerks of the Parliament shall maintain, certify, and report the assignment of seats from the parties in good faith.
5. Once the Clerk of the Parliament certifies that a seat has been assigned an MP, that seat may not be estranged from that MP until the next general election conducted by the Clerk of the Parliament, except by the express and public consent of the MP (certified by the Clerk of the Parliament), or by a 2/3 vote of the Parliament to impeach that MP.
6. This document guarantees no relief or arbitration for disputes within parties. Relief and arbitration would need to be sought through further Acts of Parliament and amendments to this document.
Article 3. Legislation
1. A vote of confidence can only be called on legislation introduced by the Government although private member's bills may be introduced by any MP they have no constitutional significance. Every piece of legislation will be a separate thread.
2. Any piece of legislation that receives more than 1/2 the votes of the Parliament becomes the law of the land.
3. Votes will be placed in the thread as for, against, or (optionally) abstain. Abstaining votes are not counted
4. Seats assigned to the party leader those not seats assigned to members of his party to vote with the party leader.
5. MPs (that is, people assigned seats in Parliament) have the right to break with their party leader if they so choose over a piece of legislation.
6. Legislation may be withdrawn by its author, in which case no further votes on that legislation are recognized.
7. No further votes will be recognized on any legislative thread originating with a previous elected parliament after the election that followed it has been certified by the Clerk of the Parliament. This means that all pending legislation dies when election results are certified.
8. Amendments to this document must receive more than 2/3 of the votes in Parliament to become law.
9. Laws inconsistent with this document (and any successful amendments to it) are prima facie invalid as inconsistent with the basic law of the nation, but this document guarantees no relief or arbitration if a law is challenged on a constitutional basis. The Parliament may ordain and empower bodies which have the power to grant relief and arbitration in disputes as to the constitutionality of legislation .
Article 4. Formation of Government
1.The government is to be formed by the largest grouping with a single-platform and single-leadership organisation in Parliament. At any time, a piece of legislation may be introduced by the Prime Minister, a member of the ruling Party or grouping elected to that position by members of that ruling Party or grouping. This legislation, like any legislation, will succeed if it receives the support of more than 1/2 of the members of Parliament. The first bill introduced by a new government is always a vote of confidence.
2. The government will designate, at a minimum, a Prime Minister and a Clerk of the Parliament. The government may designate as many other ministers as it likes. Those ministers will have no power to introduce legislation pertaining to their portfolio, but are at liberty to interpret the legislation passed by Parliament.
3. The first Clerk of the Parliament is The Right Honourable ingliz of the SN(R)RF. The first Parliament will be convened upon the moment of his certification of the election results.
My suggestions:
Elections should be held every month.
Discuss, amend and ratify............
Last edited by ingliz on 24 Apr 2009 22:48, edited 8 times in total.
"All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia" Orwell
E l/r -10 : L/A -7.64