- 02 Feb 2019 15:28
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There is no occupation. You are inventing history here. In order for this debacle to be an 'occupation' the land in question must originally, that is predating the supposed occupation, be in a recognized possession of a legal entity, recognized by the World body such as UN or, predating it, the League of Nations.
To wit, - British-mandated Palestine had never received such a status! The Land in question is, at best, disputed land. Palestine was never, in a recorded history, a recognized country with established borders. It has always been an afterthought of a power that happened to be holding it at any time in the past 2000 years. Nobody cared for Palestine, - ever!
Palestine became important to the likes of YOU only After the Jews got their hands on it. Get it! Before that, - that is before 1947, nobody, with one exception, really cared. It was important only to one ethnic group, - the Jews! The Arabs did not care, nor the Turks, nor the Romans...I can go on! The Jews cared, - do you know why? I hope that you do, and if not, go and get some education!
What? You are inventing history again! I guess, the only thing that is acceptable to you would be a wholesale departure of the Jews from Israel. Because that is what the Arabs want and totally expect to get! Anything less that that, according to the Palestinian Arabs and YOU, would be what you are saying here, - "Israel negotiated in bad faith, refused to live up to it's commitments".
Take a good hard look at the peace offers that Israel made starting with mid 1990's and proceeding to the 2008. Arabs were offered 97.5% of EVERYTHING that they asked for! And the Arabs said, NO!
You are having a nerve accusing Israel of "...negotiating in bad faith..."!
Two-state solution has never really existed and has never really been on table any way. That was a concept for the naive and gullible. The Arabs never wanted it and neither did the Israelis. Are you naive?
To Palestinian Arabs, the two-state solution is a scenario that exist as a jumping point to one-state solution - Palestine instead of Israel. The Arabs are not hiding this.
To the Israelis, the two-state solution represents a total loss of their historic and ancestral land, as well as a strategic and existentialist danger.
Two-sate solution cannot proceed an any shape or form and we knew this back in 1993. All those, - people and countries, who actually matter knew this! Yes, - there is a solution, and perhaps we will get there, but it is not what you think!
The Land you are referring too, is not Palestinian land. Let me put it to you this way, - it is like me saying to you that the land that your house is built on is MINE! You might ask why? And I wold say, because I said so! If you do not comply, then I go to war. Get it?
Funny thing is that the Arabs actually went to war, lost that war, and still screaming the same thing, like a broken telephone.
pugsville wrote:The Occupation degrades both the occupied and the occupier.
There is no occupation. You are inventing history here. In order for this debacle to be an 'occupation' the land in question must originally, that is predating the supposed occupation, be in a recognized possession of a legal entity, recognized by the World body such as UN or, predating it, the League of Nations.
To wit, - British-mandated Palestine had never received such a status! The Land in question is, at best, disputed land. Palestine was never, in a recorded history, a recognized country with established borders. It has always been an afterthought of a power that happened to be holding it at any time in the past 2000 years. Nobody cared for Palestine, - ever!
Palestine became important to the likes of YOU only After the Jews got their hands on it. Get it! Before that, - that is before 1947, nobody, with one exception, really cared. It was important only to one ethnic group, - the Jews! The Arabs did not care, nor the Turks, nor the Romans...I can go on! The Jews cared, - do you know why? I hope that you do, and if not, go and get some education!
pugsville wrote:...Israel negotiated in bad faith, refused to live up to it's commitments...
What? You are inventing history again! I guess, the only thing that is acceptable to you would be a wholesale departure of the Jews from Israel. Because that is what the Arabs want and totally expect to get! Anything less that that, according to the Palestinian Arabs and YOU, would be what you are saying here, - "Israel negotiated in bad faith, refused to live up to it's commitments".
Take a good hard look at the peace offers that Israel made starting with mid 1990's and proceeding to the 2008. Arabs were offered 97.5% of EVERYTHING that they asked for! And the Arabs said, NO!
You are having a nerve accusing Israel of "...negotiating in bad faith..."!
pugsville wrote: (Israel)... had has undermined and actively destroyed the two state solution
Two-state solution has never really existed and has never really been on table any way. That was a concept for the naive and gullible. The Arabs never wanted it and neither did the Israelis. Are you naive?
To Palestinian Arabs, the two-state solution is a scenario that exist as a jumping point to one-state solution - Palestine instead of Israel. The Arabs are not hiding this.
To the Israelis, the two-state solution represents a total loss of their historic and ancestral land, as well as a strategic and existentialist danger.
Two-sate solution cannot proceed an any shape or form and we knew this back in 1993. All those, - people and countries, who actually matter knew this! Yes, - there is a solution, and perhaps we will get there, but it is not what you think!
pugsville wrote: Isael has decided it would rather have more Palestinian land than peace.
The Land you are referring too, is not Palestinian land. Let me put it to you this way, - it is like me saying to you that the land that your house is built on is MINE! You might ask why? And I wold say, because I said so! If you do not comply, then I go to war. Get it?
Funny thing is that the Arabs actually went to war, lost that war, and still screaming the same thing, like a broken telephone.
Last edited by Metoo on 02 Feb 2019 19:40, edited 1 time in total.