- 22 Jul 2020 21:10
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I have no quarrel with you ; and for that matter don't even get your point any more than you seem to understand what I was attempting to get at . I will simply reiterate that what socialism definitively is comes down to subjective semantics . For instance , while I , and maybe you as well , would consider Tito's Yugoslav model of worker's self management to be a prime real world example of socialism , the likes of Stalin and Mao would beg to differ . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titoism#Ideology , https://www.marxists.org/history/international/comintern/sino-soviet-split/cpc/yugoslavia.htm , https://revolutionarydemocracy.org/archive/latest.htm Lastly , you have resorted to the " No True Scotsman" argument .
Senter wrote:Both his alternatives for "socialism" are references to state capitalism. Neither one is actually socialism, which is a socioeconomic system in which the working class owns and actively runs and controls the MoP. But in all the examples you listed in your post the state owns and dictates to workers. That is not liberation of workers!
At this point most of the opposition would turn to dictionary definitions of socialism. If that's what you want to do, please do.
I have no quarrel with you ; and for that matter don't even get your point any more than you seem to understand what I was attempting to get at . I will simply reiterate that what socialism definitively is comes down to subjective semantics . For instance , while I , and maybe you as well , would consider Tito's Yugoslav model of worker's self management to be a prime real world example of socialism , the likes of Stalin and Mao would beg to differ . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titoism#Ideology , https://www.marxists.org/history/international/comintern/sino-soviet-split/cpc/yugoslavia.htm , https://revolutionarydemocracy.org/archive/latest.htm Lastly , you have resorted to the " No True Scotsman" argument .