- 09 Feb 2021 06:48
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@blackjack21, thanks for taking part in this thread, looking forwards as always to the conversation! In response to my contentions concerning Pagan cyclic and Monotheist Linear Time, you said in response that;
Yes, they did coexist together in Europe for sure, I do not deny that. In fact, it is my thinking that assumes such a situation, in which the Modern Age is little more so far than the rebirth of the Pagan conceptions of reality, and the gradual attempted disposal of the Monotheistic, also clearly;
But in my primary consideration, you say;
Yes, from God's vantage point of being both transcendent and immanent in relation to His Creation, filled as it is with His Energies. However, God also (in the Christian Monotheist thinking) also relates partly with man as the 'Son of Man', while remaining the Second Person of the Trinity, the Son of God. And thus, in a Linear drama that ends in the final revelation of the eternal kingdom of God, as I said, ''forever''. To which you said;
Yes, but with the ''New Heavens and the New Earth'', the Time is still perceived by man as sequential and linear in duration, but as he will then be once more immortal, will then have the capacity to endure it. It will be physical and spiritual alike, those states of being no longer severed from each other but once more complimentary.
Well, I think Pagan conceptions coexisted with monotheism in Europe. For example, if you read the poems of the Carmina Burana, which Carl Orff put to music in the 1930s, the well-known piece, Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi, speaks of fortune as a wheel.
It's also mentioned in Fortune Plango Vulnera.
Yes, they did coexist together in Europe for sure, I do not deny that. In fact, it is my thinking that assumes such a situation, in which the Modern Age is little more so far than the rebirth of the Pagan conceptions of reality, and the gradual attempted disposal of the Monotheistic, also clearly;
But in my primary consideration, you say;
Well, the Book of Genesis puts God outside of time for all practical purposes, but suggests that a void did in fact exist. So God is effectively filling the void--creating physical matter, or filling the void if you will. It's these things that have a beginning and end.
Yes, from God's vantage point of being both transcendent and immanent in relation to His Creation, filled as it is with His Energies. However, God also (in the Christian Monotheist thinking) also relates partly with man as the 'Son of Man', while remaining the Second Person of the Trinity, the Son of God. And thus, in a Linear drama that ends in the final revelation of the eternal kingdom of God, as I said, ''forever''. To which you said;
Ahh... but forever implies no end. The end beginning and end appears to be physical, not metaphysical.
Yes, but with the ''New Heavens and the New Earth'', the Time is still perceived by man as sequential and linear in duration, but as he will then be once more immortal, will then have the capacity to endure it. It will be physical and spiritual alike, those states of being no longer severed from each other but once more complimentary.