Decky wrote:They are not our ancestors they are the ancestors of rich scum, our ancestors were down mines or in factories with a life expectancy not much higher than that of a slave.
Until relatively recently rich people had significantly more children survive to adulthood than poor people, particularly when illegitimate children are taken into account.. This meant there was a continual and relentless tendency to downward mobility. The son of a King was a prince, his son a duke and so on down the socioeconomic hierarchy. Illegitimate children moved down the hierarchy even quicker. William the Conqueror being a notable exception to that rule.
I suspect nearly every indigenous British person has at least one rich male lineage from the 19th Century in their biological inheritance. And the further you go back the more the richer socio economic classes will dominate your biological inheritance. When you talk about "rich scum" I immediately think of Genghis Khan and his hench men. Millions of men have inherited Ghenghis (or a close male relatives) Y Chromosome. But I don't see them showing any shame about being descended from murderous, terrorist slaver genociders.
In every day life in a modern western country its good to treat morals as absolute. We don't kill people, even of we're sure we can get away with it, decent men don't rape women. we don't have sex with underage girls. If I go round to someone's house I don't nick things or take their money, even if they are a lot richer than me, although I supporter greater wealth redistribution. There's a word for people who treat morality as relative in every day life in a prosperous wester country - psychopaths. But if you send me back in a time machine to a pre modern era, or even of you forced me to live out the rest of my life in Afghanistan or some other ghastly society, then I'm sorry all bets are off.
I'm glad we punish murderers. I'm glad we punish thugs who attack people, including racist thugs who attack people of Asian or West Indian decent. But criticising Julius Caesar for genocide and industrial scale slavery in Gaul is just absurd. Whining about Gaulish right to self determination is ridiculous. Even criticising him for undermining the Republic is grossly mistaken in my view.