- 06 Jul 2004 23:19
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Ok. I will accept that argument, but it does not justify killing.
No. But we should realize that it is a possibility, and must be ready for it to happen.
Then we will have to disagree. Abortion should not even be an option except in a few extreme cases.
Depends on your definition of murder.
Dictionary.com
mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)
n.
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
Slang. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.
v. mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders
v. tr.
1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.
3. To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances.
4. To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English language.
Slang. To defeat decisively; trounce.
The third definition clearly fits, and I would say that the second fits as well. Abortion seems very unpleasant.
Alright, I will accept this, though I think it is still wrong. I personally cannot see how killing the fetus can be at all more responsible than bringing the baby into life.
They matter when you're talking about consent, which as I said, is nothing but an outward affirmation of intent. If the woman did not consent to being impregnanted, and reproducing was not her intent, then she has simply not consented to reproductive sex. All other facts or opinion aside - that argument is debunked.
Ok. I will accept that argument, but it does not justify killing.
It is possible to die in a car crash if you leave your house in the morning - so should we stop driving to work?
No. But we should realize that it is a possibility, and must be ready for it to happen.
Personally, I don't see that as a realistic line of reasoning either.
Being prepared for the potential consequences is good enough, and for some people, that means being emotionally ready to have an abortion.
Then we will have to disagree. Abortion should not even be an option except in a few extreme cases.
It isn't murder if it isn't illegal. Murder is a term that is specifically applied to killing that is outside of the law (besides slang usages and alts). Usage of the term in the context of legal abortion is just emotional pandering.
Depends on your definition of murder.
Dictionary.com
mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)
n.
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
Slang. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.
v. mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders
v. tr.
1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.
3. To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances.
4. To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English language.
Slang. To defeat decisively; trounce.
The third definition clearly fits, and I would say that the second fits as well. Abortion seems very unpleasant.
That's fine, but my point was cautioning against trying to tell other people that the motivation for abortion is universally going to be an 'escape from responsibility'. As I have tried to illustrate with my first post, some people feel that having an abortion is the responsible thing to do, and as such they are not ducking any responsibility by having the proceedure - but are rather stepping right up to that responsibility and doing what they feel needs to be done. It's just that your sense of morality differs from theirs.
Alright, I will accept this, though I think it is still wrong. I personally cannot see how killing the fetus can be at all more responsible than bringing the baby into life.